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Wednesday, December 17, 2008

Uphill Battle II


Theirs is not to make reply
Theirs is not to reason why,
Theirs is but to do or die,
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred
--Charge of the Light Brigade,
Alfred Lord Tennyson

Once more into the breach dear friends,

once more

--King Henry V
, Shakespeare
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Part II:
That chilly morning, Walton's mind was on his team's mission: to capture or kill several members of the Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin (HIG) militant group in their stronghold, a village perched in Nuristan's Shok Valley that was accessible only by pack mule and so remote that Walton said he believed that no U.S. troops, or Soviet ones before them, had ever been there.

The first thought is, “Why assault?” Why not just buy them off like we have the Sunnis of Iraq? It is cheaper in the long-run.


Another thought: why not ambush the limited ingress and egress and kill the baddies as they come and go? This would be cost effective and within the capabilities of an augmented Operational Detachment A (ODA). Here is an Air Force wet dream: why not Arclite the objective at H -15 minutes? Then the SF mission could be changed to a Bomb Damage Assessment (BDA) and Big Souvenier Hunt.


But as the soldiers, each carrying 60 to 80 pounds of gear, scaled the mountain, they could already spot insurgents running to and fro, they said. As the soldiers drew closer, they saw that many of the mud buildings had holes in the foot-thick walls for snipers. The U.S. troops had maintained an element of surprise until their helicopters turned into the valley, but by now the insurgent leaders entrenched above knew they were the targets, and had alerted their fighters to rally.


This is an all-too obvious point. The element of surprise is lost when the sound of approaching assault aircraft is beating the air into submission. It is an Infantry maxim that troops drop all heavy equipment before crossing the line of departure. One does not assault anything with 80 pounds on one's back; one struggles instead of shooting and scooting.


This action did not have a defended line of departure. Further, the assaulting troops lacked a clearly defined objective rally point should they have to run for their lives, which is exactly what they had to do. Did any of these considerations enter into the planning? If so, it wasn't evident in the execution.


"All elements were pinned down from extremely heavy fire from the get-go," Walton said. "It was a coordinated attack." The insurgent Afghan fighters knew there was only one route up the valley and "were able to wait until we were in the most vulnerable position to initiate the ambush," said Staff Sgt. Seth E. Howard, the team weapons sergeant.


Walton is an 03, SOF-type and he is saying the insurgents coordinated an attack. In fact, the insurgents were defending a prepared position and the SF types were attacking, obviously not in a coordinated manner. Why do so many of these SOF actions follow the same inadequate scenario?


Is it arrogance on the part of the planners? Why do teams launch into such hopeless situations? Is there not photo intel and recon available for planning purposes? Obviously, HUMINT is lacking. It is hard to imagine that the team assaulting a position would be unaware of firing ports in the defensive belt until fired upon.


Air Force jets had begun dropping dozens of munitions on enemy positions precariously close to the Green Berets, including 2,000-pound bombs that fell within 350 yards.


Imagine, if you will, 2,000-pounders landing within 300 yards of friendlies. This is a formula for traumatic brain injury. This type of explosion would rattle one’s brain housing group with ease. This is definitely not the minimum safe distance for using these bombs. This was an act of desperation.


If we went that way, we would have all died," said Howard, who was hiding behind 12-inch-high rocks with bullets bouncing off about every 10 seconds. Insurgents again nearly overran the U.S. position, firing down from 25 yards away -- so near that the Americans said they could hear their voices. Another 2,000-pound bomb dropped "danger close," Howard said, allowing the soldiers to get away.


The team is employing 2,000 pound bombs and they lack grenades to deal with enemy within 25 yards. Too much tech and not enough simple grunt intelligence being employed here. Since they were in such close quarters, where was the most basic Infantry weapon -- the grenade?


By the time the battle ended, the Green Berets and the commandos had suffered 15 wounded and two killed, both Afghans, while an estimated 150 to 200 insurgents were dead, according to an official Army account of the battle. The Special Forces soldiers had nearly run out of ammunition, with each having one to two magazines left, Ford said.


How did this team possibly estimate the insurgent losses? At best, this is guesswork and based in guesstimation. With that figure dead, the bad guys should have had at least 600 wounded. It is Ranger's rule that estimated dead don't fill up a coffin.


Ranger doubts these figures, but it sure sounds good in a press release. Every time these actions hit the papers and the service organization magazines they are played up as great examples of heroism, and of course the soldiers on the ground gallantly faced the fire. But for what benefit?


These battles are meaningless slug fests that will not insure Afghanistan a democratic future, nor will they contribute one iota of additional security to the American Homeland. The solution? What else -- another surge, violating the basic rule learned in OBC: Never Reinforce Failure. Which, of course, is the basic play in the Phony War on Terror (PWOT ©.)


All the king's horses and all the Silver Stars in the world will not translate into strategic success in the current quagmires.


The change we voted for will never play out on the battlefield.

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17 Comments:

Blogger The Minstrel Boy said...

this was one of the stupidest ops i've ever read about.

it was a waste of time, effort, and lives.

the folks who "planned" this should have been cashiered. the officers and senior non-coms of the unit should also be brought to the mast. they are supposed to care enough about their units and the men they lead to tell the commanders "No."

there were so many other options available. why this seemed like a good idea is simply beyond my comprehension.

Thursday, December 18, 2008 at 11:57:00 AM EST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Ranger doubts these figures, but it sure sounds good in a press release. Every time these actions hit the papers and the service organization magazines they are played up as great examples of heroism, and of course the soldiers on the ground gallantly faced the fire. But for what benefit?"

Because if the military didn't throw out some bogus body count number, people with less brain capacity than the SF commanders who hatched this abortion would ask questions of "well, what good is it if you get your butt kicked and didn't hurt them as well?"

I've come to realize that a fair sized percentage of my fellow countrymen lack the sense and brain capacity to reckon their way through a See's candy store, much less sifting the differences between good and bad operations planning.
They want the bottom line, and in this case, the way our fellow countrymen see it is like this: "ooo, two of our allies killed, several of our boys wounded, and the military says hundreds of theirs dead...hey, we win!"
And that, Jim, is how our fellow countrymen think.
/facepalm

Thursday, December 18, 2008 at 12:11:00 PM EST  
Blogger FDChief said...

MB: You, Jim and I all understand about the "move out and draw fire" school of command. Back in the day where there were enough draftees to tell an ambitious careerist "With all due respect, fuck off and die, sir." there was a chance that this kind of Monte Cassino stupidity might have died in the S-3 briefing. Today? Who's gonna put their precious career on the line on the chance that they might be right about the boneheaded operations plan? One of the worst aspects of the VOLAR is this sort of mindless yes-men-ism.

In all honesty, I think our vaunted ground troops aren't all the shit we think they are. We beat the Germans and Japanese because we outproduced them and because 1) by the time we met the Germans (1942-1945) the Soviets had sucked so much of their men and material east of the Elbe that they never were capable of matching us in either quantity or quality AND our indirect fire superiority (both tube and aerial) meant that any German success was containable and any failure was a potential rout, and 2) the Japanese were the most tactically primitive of the WW2 land forces, barely out of First Generation (WW1-type) warfare.

The NVA, when they had the opportunity to go man-on-man with our Army or marine infantry on equal terms, proved capable of fighting us at least to a standstill half the time - pretty much the definition of an equal match.

Since then it's all been raggedy ass guerillas and Third World police/thug "armies" like Noriega's PDF and Saddam's people.

I think we should be thankful for more than one reason that we don't see a realistic chance at facing a peer foe on equal terms. I think we'd be unpleasantly surprised.

Sheerah: As Jim has pointed out repeatedly, the actual combat involved is purely for the entertainment of the groundlings. There is nobody above the theatre level who is taking this lethal kabuki play seriously, otherwise we'd have seen some genuinely innovative thinking at the grand tactical, strategic and geopolitical level. This is all about continuing to meddle in Central Asia. There has been no real push, either to figure out a solution OR throw our hands in the air and leave because the current level of brushfire must be working for someone or someones...

The effect of setting up a genuinely sturdy national government would inevitably result in the expulsion of our forces - no people or nation tamely invites a lethal, uninvited, uncontrollable foreign force to squat on their territory. We're seeing this in Iraq as Maliki proves to be a more effective strongman that we thought he'd be. Pretty soon he's gonna have enough loyal thugs in his "army" to want the Yankees to go home, other than those useful idiots who can help him crush his enemies.

But we're too busy worrying about whether "our boys" are heroes or not to see that all this scurrying about is ultimately pointless.

Thursday, December 18, 2008 at 12:50:00 PM EST  
Blogger bigbird said...

FD: Draftees went further than telling the ambitious careerist where to put his ideas - fragging. We were hearing of that stateside early in that war.

Ever wondered how long its been since there was air parity on the battlefield, much less our being on the lesser side? Changes the dynamics considerably.

Thursday, December 18, 2008 at 4:05:00 PM EST  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

MB,

I'm at the point that I wonder if it is age that allows our vision, and young soldiers are blinded to these realities. However, that said, I am certain I always saw things this way, even when I was a Captain; I am sure you did, too.

I wonder what is the disconnect?

Part III, later.

Thursday, December 18, 2008 at 4:46:00 PM EST  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

Sheerahkhan,

I cannot consider this an abortion, as I consider abortion a good thing; this was an old-fashioned goat-fuck.

Thursday, December 18, 2008 at 4:48:00 PM EST  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

FDChief,

Thanks for the further analysis. Always welcome.

What confuses me the most is that two mortar men can see this, while people wearing 4-stars can't. What gives?

Thursday, December 18, 2008 at 4:55:00 PM EST  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

bigbird,

Re. FD's comment: VN was the first time Airborne troops declined to assault a hill. They'd had enough and knew it wasn't worth the expenditure. That was the result of a draft and is reflective of the WW II Army. The realism resided with the troops.

Thursday, December 18, 2008 at 4:58:00 PM EST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"There has been no real push, either to figure out a solution OR throw our hands in the air and leave because the current level of brushfire must be working for someone or someones..."

Which begs the question: To whom is this working for?
If we allow our minds to roam, we would assume that someone, somewhere is benefitting from this...well, for lack of a better term, "clusterf^^k" of epic proportions, which then means we must list out potential beneficiaries.
I do not see beneficiaries to this mess.
Why?
Because it has not produced anything of value...unless chaos in a chaotic country rift with centuries of chaos being visited it on it from empires that have come and gone.
Remember, you are the one who pointed out, albeit, in another thread :::cough::: intel dump :::cough::: that Afghanistan is where empires go to die, which says to me, "who or how could anyone benefit from this mess?"

So, lacking a clear answer to that question, I will beg your indulgence at my unwillingness to contemplate ulterior motives other than the obvious one, and ask you to allow me this one conceit on the subject of our government and military's raison d'artre for Afghanistan:
Hanlon's Razor
"never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
And that Chief, is what I think is going on there...a galatic concentration of fail supported by a universal column of stupidity.

Thursday, December 18, 2008 at 5:18:00 PM EST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I cannot consider this an abortion, as I consider abortion a good thing; this was an old-fashioned goat-fuck."

lol
Ranger,
You have me by the short hairs, and I concede to your point.

Thursday, December 18, 2008 at 5:22:00 PM EST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great thread guys, I tend to agree with you sheerahkan on the stupidity thing. I think the system has bred some ill-equipt leaders.

Being one of those draftees with an FTA attitude I find it interesting exploring the effects of the draft.
Hell, even the 150 day early out was in effect a result of the "what are you going to do to me, send me to VN" attitude of the draftees coming home.

Ranger
"I'm at the point that I wonder if it is age that allows our vision, and young soldiers are blinded to these realities"

My mother, bless her soul, saved all my letters from VN. 40 yrs later that's an interesting read. The indoctrination jumps out at you. The youthful thoughts and what mattered to us then. It wasn't a "who was that guy?" cause now I understand more of the big picture . Can't say I was political astute at that time in my life. Hell, I(and I'm sure many others) was just interested in drinking beer and getting laid!

I sometimes wonder if things have really changed.

Friday, December 19, 2008 at 12:22:00 AM EST  
Blogger The Minstrel Boy said...

i for one, loved me some draftees. all it took was for me to explain to them why the folks i wanted to waste were what was standing between them and a rapid repatriation back to the world and suzy creemcheese and poof! i had ahold of some of the fightingest ringtailed sonsabitchez in the world.

it was citizen soldiers that kicked ass all over korea, and every u.s. war until the "all volunteer" bullshit. the power of draftees is that they will, in a heartbeat, tell you no. they are insubordinate, disrespectful, malingering, and some of the best soldiers i have had the pleasure to meet.

it takes skill to lead draftees, it can only be done from the front. they will follow a leader into the very teeth of hell itself, and do it with a gleam in their eyes. you can't push them, you'd be better off trying to push a rope or a ball of solder.

if you know how, you can lead them anywhere.

give me draftees and they will kick the ass of the world, just so they can go back home.

Friday, December 19, 2008 at 1:20:00 AM EST  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

TW,
As Gen. Patton said-a soldier who doesn't fuck doesn't fight.So you are excused for being a hound.
None of us as young men were politically savvy.We were pups and soldiers-that's all we knew.My comments are to the soldier side -my thoughts now are like those i had in 1970.In 71 it was hard to explain why one should die for the Army.In SF the topic was never discussed. We knew the war was flushed and the handwriting was on the wall.As soldiers we did our jobs ; but die? For what? jim

Friday, December 19, 2008 at 11:02:00 AM EST  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

FDChief ,
The NVA were a wonderful Army and their soldiers dedicated and disciplined.They were no better than US forces BUT they knew when to fight and when to boogey.Our officers seldom learned that fine point.We are always balls to the wall and this is often counter productive.One should only fight when the chances for success is greater than the chances for getting whooped.This is a fine call only made by very experienced leaders.
jim

Friday, December 19, 2008 at 11:07:00 AM EST  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

MB,
That's the goal of a good leader. Get them back home. jim

Friday, December 19, 2008 at 11:11:00 AM EST  
Blogger FDChief said...

"they knew when to fight and when to boogey"

A side effect of their vadt experience fighting everyone in SE Asia from the French to the Japanese to us, usually from the position of being the little guy in the fight.

We've always been the big guy, the bully, since 1953.

I think we've forgotten the lessons our patriot ancestors learned the hard way fighting the Brits - everyone who can afford it hates a bully except a coward. Look at the people who are responsible for the wars. Did ANY of them go fight when they had the chance?

Cowards.

And as cowards, they think that a bunch of big, badass GIs stomping around with tacair and arty, etc., will inspire fear and compliance instead of rage and hate. People like Francis Marion, George Rogers and Daniel Morgan could have set them straight...but people like Dubya, Dick, Addington...they've stopped thinking like underdogs and revolutionaries, stopped thinking like patriots, stopped thinking like the men who marched out at Long Island and Trenton and Cowpens and Saratoga and Yorktown against the baddest professionals of the day because they'd rather fight and die than submit.

You can't beat people like that - all you can do is kill them.

You can't kill ALL of the tribesmen in the Hindu Kush, either, which is the only way "take the hill" battles like this one could achieve any sort of success.

Friday, December 19, 2008 at 1:49:00 PM EST  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

FDChief,
Taking a hill ONLY HAS RELEVENCE if it leads an Army one hill closer to the endgame.I know I don't have to tell you this as it's preaching to the choir.
I'm not a combat hero but look at the combat experience of our leaders.Gen. P doesn't stack up to Generals of old.He doesn't even hace a CIB-he has the version that lacks a wreath.WOW!And those that have CIB's got them in ....you can fill in the blanks.
Our generals are corporate leaders and not combat leaders.Interestingly our Prez seems to consider himself a combat/war leader-what a joke.

I hope we get to meet some day.
jim

Friday, December 19, 2008 at 2:02:00 PM EST  

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