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Sunday, October 01, 2017

It's Only a Game

At a time when the world seems to be spinnin' hopelessly out of control,
There's deceivers an' believers an' old in-betweeners,
That seem to have no place to go
--Hands on the Wheel
Willie Nelson

People forget
Forget they're hiding
Behind an eminence front
Eminence front, it's a put on
--Eminence Front,
The Who

And I don't know why I have to make a song.
Everybody talks about a new world in the morning.
New world in the morning takes so long
--New World in the Morning,
Roger Whittaker

Singing' don't worry 'bout a thing
'Cause every little thing gonna be alright
--Three Little Birds,
Bob Marley
______________________

This is hardly a news story; not by a long chork. But it's what suffices today.

Ranger and I do not run to the latest media brouhaha, but this one is tangentially of local interest, so we will deconstruct it.

Black football players are kneeling again this week a la Kaepernick. It seems some sort of black-white provocation, and surely the media and the Tweeters are giving it legs. 

What is the proximal story, and what is distal?

Proximally, the United States saw an increase in media coverage of black interaction with the police over the eight years of the Obama administration. Concurrent with our now-ubiquitous social media feeds, beatings and shootings of blacks were uploaded in real-time, usually with no back story; certainly, no vetted back story. (That's the way they do it, today.)

The predictable reaction was increased social unrest, specifically in epicenters of racial violence. The Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement was hatched. 

And bi-racial footballer Colin Kaepernick grabbed some ink by kneeling before his games. Kaepernick cribbed his move from religious University of Florida footballer Tim Tebow, who took to "Tebowing" before games in a petition to his Creator to keep him and his fellows safe during the game (and hopefully, to make all the viewers happy.)

Genuflecting is a position in the mode of solemnity before one's God. What this reverential position otherwise has to do with a prosperous footballer is not clear. It seems like so much grandstanding. Yes, you too can have your 15 minutes of fame.

Before whom are they genuflecting, and why?

So what is behind the Kaepernick's addition to the sorrows? He must feel badly that his unknown black father was a "shoot-and-scoot" kind of guy, his biological mother's baby daddy abandoning his destitute mother before Mr. Kaepernick was born. He was later adopted by a white family.

The reality must hurt, and it reasonable to assume that the footballer would seek for an answer to such despicable behavior. None can know the answer, but the charitable among us look backwards, to generational insults for explanation. 

Perhaps it was the selling out of Colin's ancestors by fellow tribesmen to European slave traders in a long-forgotten African past. Perhaps, the experience of relatives being slaves in America.

Whatever the genesis of his father's behavior, kneeling says, "This is an implacable Mobius strip" from which we may not exit.

It says, "This legacy of dysfunction is an ever-widening gyre, destined to continue playing itself out beyond me. I bow in sorrow before the inevitiblity."

But who in our nation has not known sorrow? 

Our Native Americans have reason for sorrow. So does the Vietnamese Army officer we know who spent 10 years in a re-education camp and took another ten making it over to the U.S. (He is now working in a restaurant kitchen.) 

Japanese spent time in internment camps during WW II. Jewish people were used as slave labor unto death less than a century ago in Nazi Germany, and were not welcomed by the U.S. as refugees in their time of dire need. A friend has interviewed Rwandan Masssacre survivors who carry on. We have reader at RAW whose family was touched by the Armenian Genocide.

And so it goes. What distinguishes one from the other? How does on hierarchicalize? 

I submit it is our response alone that dignifies and provides salvation to the former victim. One must choose for ascendence and life rather than blame and anger.

Meanwhile, the kneelers do nothing exalted, bring nothing uplifting to our consciousness.

In any event, the kneeling is a depressing sight, especially coming as it does from a man who was fortunate enough to have people lift him up in life after his unfortunate beginning, and who was then earning an eight-figure annual income. 

It seems like a gesture of solidarity, but does it comport with the facts? Florida State University had a decent black sports role model a few years back in Charlie Ward who went on to finance youth mentor leadership camps post-career (in the days before FSU players became better known for stealing clothes from department store, lobsters from Publix and raping young women.)

Or look at footballer Knowshon Moreno, who was photographed crying during the National Anthem.  He said he was, "excited", "blessed" and "privileged" to play this game,

Gratitude and generosity are the only positions from which one may reasonably expect to generate positive change.

But you must have the example, the imagination, to see that charity is a finer way to effect change than is an impotent gesture of solidarity. When one is gifted with largesse, charity become justice. It is there where Kaepernick et al. fail.

In any event, football  is a sporting event. People tire of the ceaseless calls for atonement, the politicization of everything. There has to be a place to get away, to celebrate good-natured rivalries, even if just for a few hours. 

If the kneelers want to be political, let them enter politics. The pay isn't that good (unless you like Tallahassee's Andrew Gillum, currently under FBI investigation for graft.)

A more sure route for a sports hero with bucks to make a difference is to funnel some of that money into school programs, to ensure young men and women can learn another way. I personally know of two non-profits making a real difference in this arena. 

10-year Army veteran Vincent Hunt's "Creator's Camp" is helping young people develop and realize their dreams, teaching them skills for becoming future intra- or entrepreneurs.

Another, Wings for Kids, is an estimable after-school program now in three states. They told me they would come to Florida if someone would invite them.

To the footballers: you don't have to kneel. You can make a positive difference.

I'll hook you up. It'll be dope, I promise.

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47 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Very nice piece! Great synthesis of the sentiments against the kneelers.

Yes, it was the Obama admin that brought every single killing of an African American to glaring public attention. The problem is that the media, in its frenzy to appeal to Obama, would accuse the LEOs before the facts were in. They tried to make martyrs out of thugs and a cause out of lies. The backlash, to include, to some extent, the phenomenon of Trump himself, was thus created.

I treated myself to a lazy weekend and laid around watching the entire Burns series on the VN war. Just one take away - Cowardice on the part of elected officials, Deceit of the people as SOP and the pathological inability to both read the public and to exercise foresight was a constant theme. They're still at it. They haven't learned.

We cannot have a democracy if the people are made to believe lies by the people that have the data/info to arrive at a more realistic version of things. This is especially true when the media fails to do their part and merely serves as the mouthpiece for the lying govt.

avedis



Monday, October 2, 2017 at 8:56:00 AM GMT-5  
Blogger mike said...

Lisa -

Chork???

And I understood the proximal story, but what of the distal? Next installment maybe?

Meanwhile a suicidal beancounter, an alcoholic high stakes gambler, the son of a known psychopath goes postal and tries to take out 22,000 music lovers. But some nutjobs immediately suspect him of being another Bernie Bro like James Hodgkinson. Or a passing-for-white biracial member of BLM. Or a secret daesh jihadist.

There is "no vetted backstory" Lisa. You called that one right.

Although I bet the wannabee Caleeph, al-Baghdadi, is calling him Abu Tequila al-Amriki, while laughing his @$$ off. So maybe he was daesh?

Why didn't this scumbag go after the casino owners that bilked him - instead of concert goers?

Monday, October 2, 2017 at 5:44:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mike,
ISIS has claimed the attack. They don't have a habit of claiming attacks that aren't committed by someone who has sworn allegiance. Maybe once in the Philippines in, coincidentally, a casino attack; though it is disputable whether the attacker was a jihadist. So it isn't exactly nutter zone to speculate that the vegas attack was ISIS inspired. And given the anti-Trump insanity that has led to at least one other mass shooting as well as a violent antifa movement, suggesting that the shooter has a probability of being a leftist isn't so far off either.

Assuming he was just a pissed of guy that lost money makes no sense. The guy was a millionaire. Losing $20k or $30k is nothing for him. Guys pissed off over a casino loss don't stock pile weapons for months and, as you suggest, they attack the object of the ire (i.e. the casino).

This is a very weird case. My guess is that the shooter was involved in something that is going to blow your mind; including being a liberal and signing onto ISIS in a multi-culti sympathizer moment. His target - a group of deplorable country concert goers - is telling.

Where is the dude's manifesto? I don't like mass killers without manifestos. They always have one. His will probably appear shortly in the mail to a news outlet or online under an assumed name. Of curse if he is a raging leftist and sent the manifesto to CNN, we'd never learn about it. Straight into the shredder. Or ISIS will submit the proof shortly as they usually do in a few days after the event and when they've gotten secured channels for the release good to go.

avedis

Monday, October 2, 2017 at 8:34:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

To mike and avedis.
hint= the audience was all red neck country music lovers.
this should ring a bell.
as for the shooter.
jim

Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 11:02:00 AM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jim,
Most definitely the target rang bells instantly for me.

There were witnesses that stated in interviews that an Hispanic couple was taunting concert goers with "Your all going to die tonight" and similar statements. The witnesses appeared very serious. One young lady said she was so spooked by the pair and what they said and then what happened that she was considering not getting on an airplane to fly home. They said that security escorted the couple out. I hope someone thinks to round up security and ask for confirmation of the story and descriptions if true. Maybe the couple was psychic. Maybe it was a coincidence. My bet is neither. I think they are part of
a one of these antifa type groups. If so, and if taken seriously, the online chatter, etc will surface soon enough. I doubt these people are too sophisticated about opsec. If I'm right, then we have a very serious problem in this country and everything we've been discussing here lately is coming to an ugly head. Or we can just chalk it all up to a lone nutter coupled with crazy conspiracy theories, try to ban guns and move on...nothing to see here folks. I think the LEOs would be remiss to take that approach, but then I'm just one of the crazies.

avedis

Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 3:05:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger Ael said...

Sporting events are also political events.

Otherwise there would not be flags and anthems.
The Olympics are the ultimate conflation of politics and sports.

Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 5:18:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous David said...

Avedis

On this supposed Hispanic couple, or it's complete bullshit. Even assuming you're right about the shooter's motives, why on Earth would he compromise his own operational security by sending people into the crowd to warn them? I chalk this particular one up to the swarm of rumours, half-truths, and "this guy across the street told me..." that inevitably swamp the truth in disaster situations.

I'm going to reserve judgement only because in a case like this I imagine the specific people being targeted might not matter to the person. For instance, if you're right that ISIS was involved, they would enjoy any opportunity to see Americans die I am quite certain. They also claimed responsibility for killing kids at that pop concert in Britain (don't remember the name now -- Ariana somebody?). That it happened in Las Vegas would be more than enough symbolism in their minds no doubt regardless of anything else.

Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 10:44:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

David,
My theory has always been that Paddock did not act alone. The LV Sheriff agrees with me now. In fact, he was obviously exhausted and , toward the end of a question and answer session w/ the press last night, he lost his composure a little and mocked the lone gunman theory, saying, "What? You think this guy was super yahoo or something?". He had just previously been talking the explosives in Paddock's car and alluded to some other evidence that he wasn't prepared to share.

As far as the previous stay in a hotel in LV w/ a view of a concert, liberals want to use that as evidence that Paddock didn't care who he killed. I don't see that. he was either doing a dry run to a get a feel for the logistics and to psyche himself up, or it was a coincidence. I mean the guy went to gamble all the time and there are concerts in LV all the time. Main point is that, whatever, he didn't kill those people. I doubt he lugged his complete arsenal up to the room during the dry run. Maybe just one or two pieces to test how it could be done (if any).

The liberals desperately want this to be a lone nut job w/o political affiliation. Something they can blame on the archetypical (to liberals)super conservative white guy gun nut. Everything is politics to the left.

avedis

Thursday, October 5, 2017 at 8:26:00 AM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

David,
The story about the Hispanic couple might be BS. OTOH, I saw the interview with a young lady that claims to have actually encountered them and she seemed sincere and serious. Maybe the couple were just crazy jerks and it was coincidence that a mass shooting occurred. Or Maybe there was a conspiracy with Paddock not acting alone and he - and or others involved - had poor opsec.

The young lady said the couple was escorted out of the concert by security for bothering people with their threats. It should be easy enough to track down security and ask about this. In fact, I'd say it critical to do so.

I don't think anyone is saying that Paddock was pure professional. There is no reason to believe that Antifas would be either.

avedis

Thursday, October 5, 2017 at 8:36:00 AM GMT-5  
Anonymous David said...

I'm not professional either. I'm still not stupid though. Why risk getting the place evacuated?

I imagine what the liberals probably want is for him to be far-right, not apolitical. Kind of like you're leaping to thinking he's a leftist.

Thursday, October 5, 2017 at 11:02:00 AM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

David,
I actually think the guy was satanic first and foremost. He probably did make some superficial allegiance to ISIS, just to put some icing on his evil psychopathic cake. I think there is a chance he did the same with Antifa or whatever leftist group. I further think that all the topics we have discussing lately are involved to some extent. A highly educated major network exec made the statement that she was pretty much glad that a bunch of deplorable gun toting country music fans got whacked. Yes, she got fired for it, but it goes to show you the level of hate that is not mainstream. If college profs and execs can talk that way very publicly, does it surprise you that mentally/spiritually disturbed people are going to pick on the vibe and express themselves with actual violence?

avedis

Thursday, October 5, 2017 at 12:22:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous David said...

Okay, if you meant it was just him making a proclamation that's one thing. It's the part where ISIS actually planned to target "deplorables" that I thought was far-fetched.

Given what we know about ISIS's worldview I imagine hitting any crowd of people in such a sinful place as Las Vegas would be good enough for them.

I'm less worried about being targeted by any sort of "high command" inside ISIS than I am about the kooks for whom this is the final nail in the coffin. The day before this happened some nutcase up in Canada tried to run over a cop while flying an ISIS flag from his car (and didn't succeed). I can't imagine ISIS wants to be involved in that particular kind of incompetent nuttery but I can see someone figuring that's just one more inspiration for themselves.

Thursday, October 5, 2017 at 2:31:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

David,
Exactly. I saw that story about your own kook.

The world's gone crazy. ISIS, Antifa, etc , etc are fanning the flames; as is the MSM.

When I was a kid these things happened only very rarely. I had my own guns in my room and ammunition too. So did a lot of kids. We shoot targets, hunt rabbits, etc. Now a kid with a gun is likely to hunt other kids.

There have always been crazy people in the country and, indeed, in the world. But they didn't act out in criminal ways nearly as often. Something has changed. Either people are more crazy than before and/or expressing craziness in severely anti-social ways has become, if not acceptable, at least promoted.

People like to be part of a group (as we've been discussing). Now there are groups where membership means you get to act out your most violent fantasies. The group considers you, in return, to be a model member. So sure, people will swear allegiance to these groups just before they do the worst they can imagine pulling off.

IMO, tone down the rhetoric from the groups and the violence tones down too. I repeat that it's not just the fringe elements when we have media people and entertainment stars joining in. These people should know better. The devil is on the lose.

avedis

Thursday, October 5, 2017 at 3:26:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

To all,
i'm more afraid of distracted drivers than of terrorists.
its a blight on the highway.
doctors kill scads and we let them practice w/o censure.
lack of health care kills people.
i hope u all get my drift.
jim

Friday, October 6, 2017 at 10:12:00 AM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

Avedis,
as for ur dry run theory.
if there is a group, which i don't discount, then they might have some trade craft. it's at finger tips= internet.
all they must do is study OSS procedures in europe.
if a group does a recon/dry run it's very unwise to use the actual person designated to be the trigger man.
this is too dangerous and most groups have specialists to do this work. the shooter /bomber is worth nothing and is disposable. ONLY the mission counts.
i think the girl friend is hinky.

jim

Friday, October 6, 2017 at 10:19:00 AM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jim,
On tradecraft, we have some guy who learned some accounting tricks for a few years and then fell of the radar. Emerges as a free wheeling millionaire eight ball. Anyone who doesn't consider a career in money laundering and weapons dealing as a side source of income, isn't with it. No one makes money as a gambler - the odds favor the house. It does indicate a high risk personality.

If there's tradecraft involved, it has to do with getting this guy into a situation wherein he overestimated his abilities and got manipulated to pull off the shooting. The manipulators worked the risk taking and psychopathic tendencies beautifully.

Now, given the number of politicized haters out there in the realm, there's going to be a lot more of these if we don't find out what - and who - really happened in LV. This has to be shut down, if it's what I think it is.

No one - to my knowledge - has looked into the name that ISIS gave him."Abu Abed al Bir Al-Amriki".. This is basically is an insult. Like the Wile E Coyote joker of the land. The name is the tell that they played him. It's a mocking. Abu Abed is a joke character in Arabic culture. The archetypical fool.

avedis

Friday, October 6, 2017 at 8:47:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous David said...

Avedis

ISIS doesn't need him to have been a member in order for them to try and exploit the situation. I imagine anybody and everybody in the Middle East already knows that they are playing a sick joke here and understands the black humor of it, even if they don't find it amusing.

In my admittedly non-military experience the truth usually ends up being less elaborate and conspiratorial than some would have it. So far nobody has shown me any evidence that this attack required any particular skill or tradecraft to carry out beyond knowing how to modify and fire a gun, which I assume is still widely dispersed knowledge in some segments of America.

It's not that I reject the possibility of some conspiracy here, it's just that so far nobody's produced evidence of one.

Here's a more disturbing thought than the prospect that ISIS somehow recruited him to carry out a mass murder, which seems frankly preposterous on its face: readily available weaponry is sufficient for someone with a fraction of this guy's means to carry out similar massacres. On the one hand, the low frequency of events means there clearly aren't many people who want to. On the other hand, the steadily lowering "barrier to entry," as it will, probably bodes ill for the future.

Friday, October 6, 2017 at 10:39:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

David,
I agree that lots of people could have easily done this all by themselves. I do think it odd that no one seems to have noticed that paddock was amassing lots of weapons and ammo + explosives. The GF never caught a glimpse and wondered why? So I think there was someone(s) complicit in that they saw and didn't question, at least.

I repeat that the guy seems to have been an accountant for three years +/- in the 80s and then emerges as a jet setting high stakes millionaire. Where did all the money come from? Seriously. I bet that the money came from something unsavory. No one knows about any of that? He accomplished that all on his own? Come on.....

So now the guy is a high rolling jet setting millionaire with no criminal record in his 64 years and he decides out of the blue (because he's bored?) to direct automatic weapons fire onto a crowd of strangers attending a concert. No crazy manifesto. Never said a word about it to anyone. Just quietly planned it for a some time and then - quite pointlessly - executes his plan.

Really? I don't buy that for a second. IMO the motive is tied to the conspiracy. He needed help with the motive. ISIS seems as good a helper as any. They claimed it. The only questions are how and when did he meet ISIS operatives and how did they work on him? I go back to the money. How he was making all the money is likely tied to the ISIS connection.

If it wasn't ISIS, then we need look no further than the media. In this scenario he became an anti-Trumper and was radicalized by the media and antifa, etc.

But I think ISIS
avedis



Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 8:42:00 AM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

David and Avedis,
this strikes me as similar to the okc bombing.
the fed court system went out of it's way to prove or indict co conspirators.
imo the okc bombing was a wide based right wing event.
when they take this approach one must wonder why it was so important to create a legend that ignored classic terror templates.
for example i believe that the 9 11 investigations should have examined all flight records and manifests for at least 1 week before the event. i'd even check foreign carriers.
the active and passive support left before the event.
thats how anyone/group with trade craft would have done it.the only answer i have is that the government has something to conceal.

i'm gonna do a little essay on this later today.
there's a lot of false facts being spread about fire arms by a lot of elected folks..
i reckon what happens in vegas really doesn't stay in vegas.

david,
you don't need to have military skills to be a student of terrorism.
after all T is criminal activity.
example=would any new laws cover what happened in vegas?
this guy killed etc...and as such how would any thing change if we had mass shootings covered by anti terror laws.
murder is murder whether terror or just slap ass criminal.
a law on a piece of paper won't stop a 7.62 bullet. nor will a law provide cover or concealment.
jim hruska

Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 8:47:00 AM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

TO ALL,
correction on my previous comment.
THE GOVT WENT OUT OF ITS WAY TO IGNORE POSSIBLE GROUP ACTIVITY IN THE OKC EVENT.
jim

Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 8:49:00 AM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jim,
It is being reported today by CNN (yes I watch the Clinton news network sometimes). that Paddock made at least 20 trips, by boat, to various foreign countries including some in the MENA. I believe that. IMO, international money laundering and weapons sales were the source of Paddock's money. IMO he not only encountered radicals through these activities, but the CIA is also aware of him.

Gambling is not a way to get rich (quite the opposite). But it can be a great way to launder money. Ditto real estate. I am aware of at least one drug runner (across the AZ/Mexico border) who listed "Professional gambler" as an occupation on his tax filings. Also, had real estate investments and a gym with many fictional members.

Agree about OKC. A far right wing conspiracy. Two guys took the fall, as well they should have, but I recall thinking at the time that there were many co-conspirators that should have been wrapped up. Maybe they talked and got a deal. Whatever, the media and the govt definitely was pushing for the lone gunman theory (well....lone bomber).

IMO, the govt and media thinks we can't handle the truth. That is a bad attitude. Understanding the larger milieu in which these events occur is important. Lone whackos typically emerge as such in their late teens/early 20s. Paddock went 64 years without ever cracking up and unleashing on society. He does not fit the profile. There are a few media types that recognize the holes in their meme so now they resort to brain tumor. Maybe the valium made him do it. That is a joke IMO. Lots of people take valium to calm their nerves and to relax muscular issues (Had it prescribed myself for severe back pain - just felt relaxed and sleepy). Conspiracy seems to disturb people. I don't understand why.

Thx for sharing your informed thoughts on this.

avedis

Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 10:40:00 AM GMT-5  
Anonymous David said...

Jim -- Thank you for your thoughts. I have never been in favour of "new" terrorism laws. What they are doing is already criminal. New laws give politicians the appearance of "doing something" and new powers to the security state.

Avedis -- I won't tell you all the money was got by hard work. But if he was providing money laundering or other illegal services to criminal groups, why kill himself? It kind of defeats the main point of being an arms dealer, financier, etc. Maybe his real source of income was high enough to pay for his gambling rather than the other way around.

On people who claim to know nothing, I imagine it's half willful blindness beforehand and half self-serving self-defense afterwards. Nobody wants to say, "I kind of figured this might happen but I couldn't be bothered to do anything about it. Whoops."

Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 1:49:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

David,
He got into something he thought he could handle, but couldn't. Especially if the CIA was involved. Paddock informed CIA re; international dealings, CIA guided him to new clients. Or something like that. Somewhere along the way Paddock got radicalized. The mercenary got subjective about a cause. Or he got screwed over and decided to take it out on society. Apparently confirmed that he left a note in his room. LEOs say it is all numbers and no words. Someone has to crack the code now; bank accounts? coordinates? a password? Whatever it leads to will be very telling. OTOH, maybe the guy was just a jerk that wanted to create an enduring mystery.

Now confirmed he was with a prostitute days before the shooting. So much for the distraught over the GF thing. Also confirmed that the security guard who was first on the scene (and got shot in the leg) was headed up there just before the shooting started b/c the desk had received an alarm that a door was left ajar. Who left the door ajar? Could be a coincidence, but I don't like those when something like this has gone down. Everything must be thoroughly checked out. It is not inconceivable that someone could have a key card to open the inner room suite doors. Could move down the whole hall that way. So I think it is silly to dismiss other parties being there up to the point the shooting starts (or maybe even after it started).

People dismissing conspiracy just aren't thinking.

The more we learn about paddock the more conspiracy seems likely, IMO

avedis

Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 2:02:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous David said...

All numbers. So like, calculations. Of distance to target?

I am not dismissing the possibility of a conspiracy out of hand. But if you want to make a claim you need to back it up with something.

I assume the hotel has surveillance cameras for that sort of thing, but then again, it's a conspiracy, so obviously if there is no video footage that just means the cameras have been messed with or the security company has been bought off.

Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 7:13:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

David,
All I know is that when older men commit mass murders against strangers, it is politically motivated. When something is politically motivated there is usually a group of people involved; at peripherally.

avedis

Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 7:47:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

David,
You see....it's the culmination of everything we've been discussing here lately.

Most people don't want to kill, yet there is a primitive impulse, a potential, in all of us. Most of us suppress it. One way we suppress it is to develop the better aspects of ourselves. Another is to be socialized into understanding that everyone would look down on us as defective and evil if we acted out.

There are some exceptions; like war and self-defense. But even then, because we're socialized and because the better aspects have been developed by that time, we feel guilt and shame, ultimately, if we kill.

However, there will always be some few, who, for whatever reason, are less self actualized and socialized. What terrorist orgs like ISIS, Antifa and CNN do is they demonize a subset of people. They say these people are bad, even evil. The less than optimized psychology now has a target upon which to vent the impulse. Killing members of that demonized subset is good, heroic. It will draw praise from the group.

That is the psychological infrastructure that terrorist groups lay down for support of terrorists. Now the groups may, in some cases, provide material support and logistics, but , IMO, that psychological support is at least as important.

This is how Mateen - the Pulse nightclub shooter - can be correctly called a jihad terrorist. He called in his allegiance just as he was breaking the great taboo (against killing). The presence of these groups and their message, is what, IMO, allowed Paddock to do his work. He probably had a festering impulse to kill for a long time. Now there are many organizations that support the killing of the right kind of people.

This is a subtle yet pervasive problem. It seems to be getting worse. I swear the purveyors know exactly what they are doing. ISIS of course, but CNN too.

avedis

Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 9:35:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous David said...

"terrorist orgs like ISIS, Antifa and CNN..."

CNN are terrorists now?

Look, it really doesn't matter how long you make your answer if you still have no actual evidence, because it leaves us right back where we started.

Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 10:52:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

David,
If the NRA is a terrorist org - as people are now saying - then CNN most certainly is what w/ all the hate they foment 24/7.

I have no evidence. True.

You were right about the cryptic note; LEOs say is was ballistics charts showing bullet drop at different ranges, etc. I find that weird too. Why would he not have zeroed his rifles for the event which he apparently planned so well for? If familiar w/ the weapons, he should have known his sight settings already. The 5.56mm is a very flat shooting round. standard combat zero of 250 yards gives you a 300 yard point blank range. He was shooting at closer to 400 hundred yards. Dial up the sight 4 clicks and you're good for 350 - 450 yards (the old M16 had a flip up long range sight that would put you right there, but the new ones have an elevation dial). How hard is that to know and remember? It's like paddock wasn't really the gun guy they make him out to be.

avedis

Sunday, October 8, 2017 at 11:11:00 AM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

A,
he was just spraying and praying(preying?)
the bump fire device does not aid accuracy.
i doubt that he picked out individual targets.
at that range a true shooter would have used a 7.62.
it is criminally irresponsible to call the NRA a T group.
i am not a member , but i know they are all responsible citizens.
jim

Sunday, October 8, 2017 at 1:04:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

D&A,
i have some gun control stuff coming up.
it may take a while as Lisa is otherwise committed.
we will pub asap.
jim

Sunday, October 8, 2017 at 1:12:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jim,
I think the bullet drop figures were because he was targeting the jet fuel tanks that were much further away (he actually hit them, according to some sources, but either the rounds didn't penetrate at that range or the fuel didn't ignite) and then he switched to closer targets (the people).

He probably should have used one of those new fangled .50 cal sniper rifles on the fuel tanks. An AP incendiary round would have done the trick; just like those WW2 fighters going down in flames. Again, this speaks to Paddock not really being a gun guy.

avedis

Sunday, October 8, 2017 at 1:15:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

A,
a lot does not add up in this scenario.as a example-what shooter would leave the curtains flapping in their sights. a shooter would tear them completely down.
why shoot himself? why not play it out? he obviously knew the play.
he didn't use a barrett 50 b/c they don't break down and it would be obvious at ingress.
API is not a civilian round to my knowledge.
jim

Sunday, October 8, 2017 at 1:49:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jim,
I just read up on the fuel tanks. Whatever he shot them w/ (5.56mm or 7.62mm?) it did penetrate the tanks twice. The fuel was spilling on the ground.

My theory - he was planning on shooting the spilled fuel with the tracer rounds. That really might have set it off. The exploding fuel would have herded the crowd right toward the shooter. That shows some tradecraft, albeit a little stupidly planned and not well executed.

On the poor execution, some of it was probably due to the shooter being interrupted by the security guard. The guard was arriving on the scene almost exactly as Paddock began shooting due to an alarm showing a door left ajar (fact - source = LEOs). Paddock saw the security guard on the cam he left in the hall on the food cart (fact - source = LEOs). He then got distracted from the original mission and opened up on the security guard. The SG was hit in the leg and went down. Paddock continued to fire through the wall at him. 200 hundred rounds according to LEOs. The SG crawled out of the line of fire.

Why did Paddock spend so much time and ammo on the SG? Well according to LEOs, he actually planned on surviving and escaping (no details from LEOs yet). IMO, he planned on igniting the fuel and then mowing down the concert goers as they rushed toward him. Then, in the confusion, slipping down the stairwell that was right next to his room and disappearing into the crowd.

Would that have worked? Yes (sans SG). How do I know? B/c someone on that floor did run down the stairs and into the bushes (reported by LEOs and news). Paddock was well known to the casinos; a regular customer for years. He could have run right past security and they would have never suspected and stopped him during the confusion.

Once the SG escaped and evaded, Paddock could not leave the room w/o being identified. At that point, his plan had gone to hell. He fired into the crowd and then killed himself (knowing the jig was up).

This brings me to ISIS. My *guess* is that he made contact w/ them somewhere on his travels. probably by accident at first. The plan was to become an ISIS hero so that he could go on the lam (just like his old man did) and enjoy protection and shelter from jihad groups (probably in the Philippines, but maybe elsewhere). I don't think he was a serious jihadist. He was using them and they, him. They probably knew all along that he would never survive.

But what was the motive? I still think that we will find out that he is a radical liberal and an anti-gun guy. He left a room that is a poster child for gun control. THERE IS NO GOOD TACTICAL REASON FOR ALL THE GUNS AND STACKS OF MAGAZINES. He wanted to leave an anti-gun statement and he wanted to kill "deplorables".

Still, there must have been a trigger at some point that made him be so anti-gun. To prove the theory the trigger must be identified. If he felt that strongly about the cause - any cause, really - he would have discussed it with others. Someone encouraged, perhaps unwittingly/perhaps deliberately, what he did. I refuse to believe that this happened in a vacuum.

avedis

Sunday, October 8, 2017 at 2:15:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous David said...

Jim

I look forward to hearing your thoughts.

Avedis

Again you've lost me on the last three paragraphs. If it turns out this was a liberal who thought that in grand Hollywood movie style he could somehow draw attention to his cause by becoming its greatest villain, I won't resist that. Ditto if it turns out he was ISIS. It just seems fantastically unlikely.

The simplest explanation for him doing things that didn't make tactical sense is that he didn't have training in combat tactics, and there is no reason to read any more into it than that. Did he serve in the infantry, either Army or Marines? Not to my knowledge.

Monday, October 9, 2017 at 11:15:00 AM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

David,
I don't even think the concert was his intended target originally. The sheriff held a press conf. today. He updated the timeline. The security guard came down the hallway just shy of 2200. He was checking on a half closed door alarm. According to the Sheriff, he approached paddock's room b/c he heard drilling (the sound of a drill operating). When he got closer to see what the drilling sounds might be, Paddock opened up on him through the door and wall (Paddock's camera on the food cart had picked him up). A couple minutes later, Paddock opened up on the crowd at the concert.

The Sheriff said that the drilling was to set up surveillance cameras. Many cameras were lying around room having not yet been set up when the event ended.

Paddock was in the room for 5 days (according to Sheriffs). Yet he had only begun to drill and set up cameras as the concert was well under way.

Why weren't the cameras set up and ready to roll the day before if the concert was the target? Even hours before? That makes no sense. IMO, it is more plausible that all the guns and ammo were for some other op; probably involving multiple shooters. Paddock was not the main military mind, just an enabler, behind the plot. Paddock freaked out when the security guard approached the room. He had never heard of Murphy's Law. There was no need to shoot the SG. A simple prepared storied could have been offered along with a couple $hundred and the SG would have been on his merry way. IMO, someone paid Paddock handsomely to supply the guns and ammo. It was probably ISIS. Paddock was both manipulated psychologically and paid for his allegiance. I would look hard at the GF and the Philippines connection. The trips to the MENA as well.

I think once he freaked and shot the SG, he just went wild and changed the op to being him, alone, shooting the C&W concert. I would be looking at what events were scheduled for the next three days as being the real targets. What VIPs would be in town, that sort of thing. Also, any Muslim types who had rooms in that hotel or others who had come to town that night or the day before. IMO, the security Paddock was setting up had as much to do with his intended guests as it did with LEOs.

Also revealed, Paddock had body armor of some type. Why wasn't he wearing it? Again I think Murphy took him by surprise b/c Paddock was out of his league.

Dollars to donuts, this is not a simple case of crazy white guy gun nut doing what, well you know, they all do; as the media wants us to think.

avedis

Monday, October 9, 2017 at 8:39:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous David said...

You've gone from Paddock being out of his league to Paddock being an ISIS agent, again, without any reason why I should accept that. Why wouldn't I believe he's, I don't know, in the pay of the KKK? It's equally ridiculous at this point.

If it turns out that deplorables weren't the intended target, then the whole line of reasoning behind your original conspiracy theory is now out the window.

As does your conspiracy theory about people being sent into the venue to taunt people that they were about to die.

I didn't take those theories seriously and evidently I was right not to.

Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 1:10:00 AM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

A&D,
i think the explosives are the key issue, supposedly found in the car.
where and how obtained.
what type of detonators?chemical timers, electric or time fuse?were there any maps in the car?
the weapons in the room don't add up? why shoot self? he was in for the whole wad at that point. as a gambler he knew this as a fact.
why not use the demo on the storage tanks?
why target the tanks at all? not a significant target.
i hate to be callous, and i certainly feel for the victims, but this was not exactly mumbai.
i don't understand the idea that he bought guns in 4 states and this was legal. if it were rifles and shotguns this is legal, but buying pistols across state lines is a federal violation , unless conducted thru a ffl dealer.
so whats the reason for this report? something smells. remember fast and furious? i'm ill disposed to trust news releases in fraught situations.
whatever is the truth it's doubtful that we'll be in the distribution cycle.

Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 9:02:00 AM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jim,
I agree. Bottom line, this is not at all what it appears to be per media/FBI statements. We will probably never know. Fast and Furious indeed.

avedis

Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 10:40:00 AM GMT-5  
Anonymous David said...

For nothing to leak out would require a conspiracy of enormous proportions given the number of people and agencies now involved. But naturally people's imaginations will run wild.

Since he seemingly planned an escape as at least one of his options, it stands to reason that in his car he had whatever equipment he thought he would need for something else down the road.

Perhaps he imagined going undiscovered for a lengthy period of time and, thinking he was discovered by the security guard decided to improve, and then with the police closing in, decided he didn't really want to try to fight it out with them after all.

When you shoot at fuel tanks in a video game, or in the movies, they usually blow up.

It's not that I don't appreciate either of your analyses here and you bring a mindset about operations that I certainly don't have, but so far you're skipping over step one, which is demonstrating that he would be thinking anything remotely like a military professional might simply because he owned a lot of guns and shot a lot of people, neither of which require you to have a military background.

You're down in the weeds of the details but do you really understand the mindset behind them?

Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 12:30:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

David,
IMO, I have to admit that you make a fair point re; why assume this guy would be thinking like a pro.

If he was 20 yrs old, I'd say there's no reason at all to assume anything other than video game and Hollywood influence. However, this is a 64 yr old male that had a long history of making big money (somehow), professional gambling, etc. You'd think he'd be reasonably rational/tactical. Maybe we are not appreciating how far removed from that kind of thinking most people really are.

avedis

Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 1:22:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

David + Jim,
Then again SEAL Team 6 in Op. Red Wings re; Murphy MoH didn't perform any better than Paddock re; tactics. In fact, the SEALs made some of the same mistakes.

yeah, I'm a jerk, but am I wrong?

avedis

Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 1:31:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous David said...

I guess you have a point there.

Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 2:16:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

David,
nobody plans an escape and then leaves a bunch of guns behind , which happen to be linked to him by purchase documents and atf forms.
but this is for sure=oswald and james earl ray left guns behind that were clearly linked to them.now how smart was that? ray claimed innocence until he died.
call me old fashion , but why is the kennedy events still classified??
are you familiar with the concept of legends?
uhhh?!
jim

Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 3:59:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

David,
in military terms after execution phase he would head back to an objective rally point.
the last covered and concealed location ,usually small arms distance from
the action.
if military there would be a security element ready to exfil the team safely.
there is always a orp in raids and ambushes.

in my mind i have trouble with the cameras.
what purpose would they serve? this almost means that he had a security element providing flank security.almost, that's the logical conclusion.
as it is the cameras compromised him.
obviously he didn't have any fire discipline.if he did more people would have died. the security guard probably saved 50 people from sure death.
while he shot at the gd 200 times he wasn't shooting 200 rds into the crowd.
these are just off the cuff observations.f w
they are worth.
jim

Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 4:19:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

To all,
some more thoughts on the event.
plunging fire is much more wasteful and ineffective than grazing fire.
since he chose the less effective mode , then this should go into any analysis of his training etc...
jim

Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 7:59:00 AM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jim,
Plunging v grazing - right. This whole op could have been so much better pulled off from an up-armored uhaul truck. Could have even brought along the .50 for the fuel tanks + had a viable means of getting away instead of the trap of the room.

LEOs say he was methodical and rational and plan to escape. Not seeing it.

avedis

Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 1:20:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and take a look at this guy; http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/

He looks like any normal doctor out on the golf course, yet he is accused of international terrorist activity from the Philippines to NYC. this is one reason (given the Philippines connection) I think the FBI was way to fast and facile about dismissing ISIS related terrorism in LV.

avedis

Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 1:30:00 PM GMT-5  

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