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Thursday, May 10, 2007

Flabby Ethics

The world has gone mad today
And good's bad today,
And black's white today,

And day's night today
--Anything Goes, Cole Porter

There is one, and only one, thing in modern society
more hideous than crime--
namely, repressive justice
-- Human Personality
, Simone Weil
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Marine Corps Times posted a report today, ''Almost Half of Surveyed Troops Say Torture O.K.''

Ranger served in an Army that no longer exists, and a country that has changed beyond recognition.

The Army I served in actually required Geneva Convention Training prior to overseas deployment, and GC cards of the rules were issued, to be carried in wallets. In addition, the country and our leadership also espoused these ideals.


Looking homeward today, is it any wonder that a professional volunteer military would have such little belief in the compliance to the GC and basic standards of civilized behavior?


It is a matter of training, and Petraeus is training the troops when he calls our adversaries in the Phony War on Terror
barbarians. If they are barbaric, then the plugs are pulled and anything goes. The troops are merely reflecting the attitudes of the Chain of Command, to begin with the Commander in Chief.

In comparison, citizen soldiers of the past returned to civil life after their tours and maintained a standard of conduct that would be alien to some in this professional volunteer force. He excelled in maintaining his decency and humanity, perhaps because he could see he was not so far removed from his adversary. They were only temporarily soldiers, but permanently men--the Man in the Gray Flannel Suit.


However, for the professional soldier, his identity is rooted in his business, and his business is often of an unsavory nature.


Is it any wonder the study came up with the following findings:

''(L)ess than half the 1,350 soldiers and only about one-third of the nearly 450 Marines polled anonymously in Iraq from August to October 2006 told members of Mental Health Advisory Team IV they believe all noncombatants should be treated with dignity and respect.''

''More than 40 percent of soldiers and Marines who recently served in the war zone believe torture should be allowed if it would save the life of a comrade, according to a 2006 military mental health assessment.''

''17 percent [of Marines] said all noncombatants should be treated as insurgents.''

''Service members who had spent the most time in combat were most likely to hurt innocent people, the study showed.''

And an unusual one:

''More soldiers than Marines said they would report a fellow unit member for injuring or killing a noncombatant, 55 percent versus 40 percent. But the Marine percentage, said Rear Adm. Richard Jeffries, Medical Officer of the Marine Corps, is not low enough.''

Let's hope Rear Admiral Jeffries meant to say high. “The Marine Corps is concerned this may be significant,” he said. Well, at least that.


Some attribute the willingness to violate military rules to exhaustion, as tours are extended and ''dwell time''--recuperation between deployments--is reduced.


Retired Army Maj. Gen. Robert Scales said,“there’s not enough that’s being done for mental conditioning” going into combat.

“Every soldier and Marine knows what’s right, but once combat fatigue sets in, that starts to fall away,” he said.

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10 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not the Army I served in either. How did we let this happen? Cheney and Rumsfeld should be court marshalled for what they've done to the services. Lean, mean fighting machine my a#*

Cut the size of the forces, underfund them and over use them. That sounds like their game plan! They've created a different army that's for sure.

Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 10:40:00 PM EST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ranger,
As a side note, why don't we hear anything about this in the American press?
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/E48E0F7F-61D8-4739-926D-2052F8628C84.htm
The Afghan government that we support passes a bill for a truce and talks with the Taliban and a date for US and Nato withdrawal. Can these guys screw this up anymore than they already have?

Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 11:36:00 PM EST  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

Thanks, trip wire.

Jim'll be back tomorrow to comment. I know he has some strong thoughts on the Taliban.

Lisa

Friday, May 11, 2007 at 12:31:00 AM EST  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

trip wire,

A great synopsis; since I was an officer, so I have to use more words!

Jim

Friday, May 11, 2007 at 3:15:00 PM EST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

since I was an officer,

Hummmmmmm!

Has anybody been able to find colaboration about that link I listed from Aljazeera? I mean if that's true then here we go again. We could be causing more trouble than the Taliban. Bush's foreign policy is in shambles. Look at Somilia. After years of violence the country finally gets peace and security however it's under an Islamic government so we can't have that and we pay the Ethiopians( you should really have spell check )to invade the country and try displace the Islamic government and in the process thrust the citizens of that poor country back into chaos and warfare. Who's running this ship anyway?

Friday, May 11, 2007 at 10:14:00 PM EST  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

trip wire,

This administration is not running a tight ship.

Nor are we, it seems. Jim hasn't been around to answer your question on the Taliban, but certainly we are causing infinitely more difficulties. He will be back tomorrow.

How are the Taliban even our concern, really? Al Qaeda is the group that targeted the U.S.

Lisa

Friday, May 11, 2007 at 11:28:00 PM EST  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

trip wire,

[1] Please don't forget that U.S. policy allowed N. Korea to sell the AK-47's to the Ethiopians. And this was during the period we were calling the N. Koreans evil.

In Afghanistan, the Northern Alliance warlords that the U.S. supported happen to be the same people being supported by Iran.

I hope this makes more sense to you than it does to me.

Haven't had a chance to view the al Jazeera clip, but hope to do so soon.

[2] Re. Afghan-Taliban talks:

After the U.S. Civil War, we ratpritaed the Confederates. Why should we expect the Afghanis to do anything less.

The Afghan gov';t clearly realizes the U.S. has to exit soon, and an accommodation with the Taliban is reasonable.

Saturday, May 12, 2007 at 6:29:00 PM EST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

According to an article in the NY Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/13/world/asia/13AFGHAN.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
many of the Taliban we are killing are not Taliban at all, but pissed off Afghans. They are fed up with air strikes, house raids and shootings which are causing mass civilian fatalities and are turning against us and fighting us when we approach their villages.

Don't sound like we're getting this one right either!

Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 6:26:00 PM EST  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

trip wire,

Kinda makes sense, right? I 'spose we'd be doing the same thing in their position.

There's an old saying, you only see what you want to see, or what you have eyes to see. What you suggest is not something that behooves a military-industrial complex to see.

--Lisa

Monday, May 14, 2007 at 1:37:00 PM EST  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

trip wire,

Jim here: We made the same mistake in Vietnam by identifying VN nationalists with the VN Communists. Both fought us under the banner of the VC, and the same thing is happening now in Afghanistan and Iraq.

We're seeing true nationalists step up to the plate, as well as Taliban and al Qaeda.

Re. Taliban, I don't see where they're a threat to America.

Tuesday, May 15, 2007 at 1:25:00 PM EST  

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