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Wednesday, June 18, 2008

Man Without a Country

Why don't we focus on what Afghan women can do?
They can cook, bear children and pray.

As I recall, that was fine for our grandmothers

--Al Franken


Reprieve, a British human rights group, says the U.S. is operating a network of prison ships worldwide on which terrorism suspects are held incommunicado and abused. They claim many of the prisoners are later rendered to dark sites where they are tortured, and that the ships are chosen as detention cells to keep the misconduct away from the press.

They base their claim on Pentagon reports, testimony from released prisoners and European government sources. Their report can be read

The Guardian (U.S. Accused of Holding Terror Suspects on Prison Ships):

According to research carried out by Reprieve, the US may have used as many as 17 ships as "floating prisons" since 2001. Detainees are interrogated aboard the vessels and then rendered to other, often undisclosed, locations, it is claimed.

Ships that are understood to have held prisoners include the USS Bataan and USS Peleliu. A further 15 ships are suspected of having operated around the British territory of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean, which has been used as a military base by the UK and the Americans.

The Navy Times reports the U.S. denies these allegations, though admitted that some prisoners were held on ship for "a few days" at the beginning of their confinement. If the allegations are true, Ranger wonders where such actions begin and where they will end.

Jose Padilla was a U.S. citizen banished to a Navy brig in Charleston, S.C., minus
habeas corpus protection. If it can happen to him, it can happen to any of us. All that is needed is a trumped-up charge.

It appears that torture is no longer outsourced across the pond; just far enough out that it is in international waters, or off a friendly coastline. The U.S. Navy ship is not a legal detention facility, and stashing prisoners aboard is not a good omen.

If someone is apprehended as a bona fide terror suspect, they should be arrested and placed in pre-trial confinement in a federal detention facility.

Remember "American Taliban" soldier John Walker Lindh's treatment aboard U.S. Naval vessels following his capture on the battlefield? It wasn't anything that would get honorable mention at a Mother Teresa convention.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am glad to find your web page. (I came here from Minstrel Boy's egret post.) deb

Thursday, June 19, 2008 at 1:32:00 AM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

deb, thanks for writing and welcome aboard.no pun intended. jim

Thursday, June 19, 2008 at 9:48:00 AM GMT-5  
Blogger The Minstrel Boy said...

the facts keep bubbling up. (which brings to mind one of my favorite john adams sayings, from the trial of the british soldiers in the boston massacre, he told the jury to acknowledge their emotions, but also to remember:

facts are stubborn things.

the work of philippe sands, and seymore hersch keep exposing that the torture was happening long before it was exposed, happening at greater and more vicious levels, and came directly from the top.

the perpetrators of this excreble reign of terror need to be held to account for their actions.

they border on treasonable.

Thursday, June 19, 2008 at 10:38:00 AM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

MB, i won't say these are acts of treason b/c there is no state of war , regardless of what Bush pronounces.But it definitely violates US and international law. We send EM hillbillies to jail for following orders.That's called justice for all.This entire PWOT has changed the meaning and value of both words and laws that were the bulwark of this nation.There used to be criticism of Bill C and his quibbling but he was an amatuer compared to Bush/Cheney/Rice/ Rumsfeld. jim

Thursday, June 19, 2008 at 11:50:00 AM GMT-5  
Blogger Arkhamite said...

Treason is a criminal charge that can be leveled against civilians, and in that case prosecuted via civilian courts, regardless of whether an official state of war exists or not. The acts of treason in question are not being committed in the president's military capacity as Commander in Chief, but rather in his civilian capacity as Chief Executive. I refer to secret alliances with security services of foreign nations, who act illegally at the President's behest within U.S. territory. Of course, if Bush were charged with treason during his presidency, the civilian court would of necessity be Congress according to the Constitutional process of impeachment by the House and trial before the Senate.

Thursday, June 19, 2008 at 12:47:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

ARK. Ref Art 3 US Constitution. These words are subject to interpretation, but they do apply to civilians as you state. "Making war and giving aid and comfort" to an enemy, in my mind, implies a state of war. This PWOT is not a war and terrorists are not enemy personnel. Therefore, Bush is not treasonous per the Constitutional definition.

He is a war criminal, and could be tried for impeachment for breaking U.S. and international law, and violating U.S. treaty obligations.

Bush and Co. will probably never be brought in front of a court--but the best punishment is to let them live. Eventually they may gain awareness and realize their errors.


Thursday, June 19, 2008 at 2:57:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger Arkhamite said...

Mossad are all over this fucking country and they take orders from the White House. Treason.

Thursday, June 19, 2008 at 3:18:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous tw said...

This week, Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba released a statement accusing the Bush Administration of war crimes. In 2004 the Maj. Gen. released a classified report detailing abuses committed at Abu Ghraib prison.

Taguba is now retired. He said he was ordered to retire by the Pentagon for being overzealous in his criticism of the military.

Thursday, June 19, 2008 at 11:55:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger Lisa said...


Gen. Taguba is one of the brave voices in this fiasco.

We wrote about him 6/27/07 in La Cosa Nostra


Sunday, June 22, 2008 at 2:32:00 PM GMT-5  

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