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Sunday, August 10, 2008

Friends Hmong Us


The best way to destroy the capitalist system
is to debauch the currency

--Vladimir Lenin


A lie can travel half way around the world

while the truth is putting on its shoes

--Mark Twain

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The Hmong, an ancient tribe who live in the hills of Laos, were largely hung out to dry after the U.S. involvement in Vietnam. Since they were part of a C.I.A.-funded secret army, they were persecuted and slaughtered by the Lao government. A few thousand live today in dismal refugee camps in Thailand, some made it to the U.S., and maybe 1,000 still live in the Laotian jungles.

Their leader, General Vang Pao, was arrested last year with eleven others in a plot to overthrow the Lao government. One of his co-conspirators happens to be a former Army associate of Ranger's, Lt. Col. Harrison U. Jack. Ranger wondered where he'd gotten off to, until he read about him in the Times:


"The government’s case got under way early last year when an undercover agent of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms [ATF] placed a call to a 61-year-old retired United States Army officer named Harrison Jack at his home in Woodland, Calif., just west of the state capital, Sacramento. The federal agent, posing as an arms dealer, said his name was Steve Hoffmaster. He had received a tip, he said, that Jack was in the market for some AK-47 assault rifles to arm the jungle Hmong (General Vang Pao's Last War.)"

The story is straight out of a bad spy novel: a deep-cover Fed playing agent provocateur who pushes a conspiracy rather than unwinding one. This entrapment is standard operating procedure for the ATF. The story reaches a fantasy political and military "never never land."

"The plot proposed 'was not a serious plan by any stretch of the imagination,' Bill Lair, the C.I.A. veteran who was Vang Pao’s case officer and who spent more than 20 years training security forces in the region, said in a sworn affidavit in the case. 'To think that large amounts of weapons and explosives could be delivered and transported freely within Thailand and across the border into Laos is
utterly naïve and unrealistic.'"

But, since the U.S. is all terrorism, all the time (a la shows like "24"), the government brought an indictment charging that Vang Pao led a conspiracy aimed at:

“'the overthrow of the existing government of Laos by violent means, including murder, assaults on both military and civilian officials of Laos and destruction of buildings and property' in the Laotian capital. The government charged that the defendants aimed 'to destroy these government facilities, to reduce them to rubble and make them look like the results of the attack upon the World Trade Center in New York on Sept. 11, 2001.'”

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the CIA is supporting the Mujahedin-e-Khalq [MEK] with the purpose of overthrowing the government of Iran. "If CIA money and planning support are behind [MEK's sabotage operations], the agency's backing constitutes nothing less than an act of war on the part of the United States against Iran (Acts of War)."

Unlike the Hmong, the MEK is not a friend of the U.S. --
"In 1979 the MEK had a central role in orchestrating the seizure of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, and holding 55 Americans hostage for 444 days." MEK hates the U.S., but will accept our money, weapons and training, just as al-Qaeda and the Taliban before them.

When will the U.S. ever learn? The MEK may overthrow the theocracy of Iran, but that does not mean they will be our friends. The U.S. is using terrorists as a tool in our war on terror. Surreal.


So it is all perspective. The CIA is doing institutionally what Harrison U. Jack was personally trying to do, but they are heroes, while Jack is an accused criminal. I guess his cause is no longer chic,
not that living up to responsibilities to allies has ever been very chic for the U.S.


It seems terrorism is bad, unless it's good.

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17 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ive discussed this over at Abu Muqawama, and from folks who ought to know the MEK are being housed in "protective custody" in Iraq by US forces. The camp has been hit by missiles, wich is not a surprise. SO it seems that US forces are in direct collaboration with acknowledged terrorists.

Im reading "The Cold Six Thousand" by James Elroy. I wonder how much of it is spot on, and how much has changed. This is the dimension that the MSM never touches, the mafya wars raging beneath the surface of the socalled civilized world. Georgia, par example, has long been a front for the Israelibased branch of the Russian mafya, just as Chechnya used to be one of the big players in Soviet Mafya. Afghanistan is just as much a opium war as it is a religious and ethnic conflict. Billions and billions of dollars move like a dark undercurrent from hand to hand without ever seeing the light of day, humans are sold and bought and killed and enslaved.But it never ever gets mentioned or analyzed by anyone serious. Go figure.

Sunday, August 10, 2008 at 3:38:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with everything your saying fnord but the other thing we are fighting for is oil/minerals in Afghanistan. While the boys/girls are fighting on the ground we are rader maping/taking samples and it's everyone dream. It's all near the surface and then there is pipe lines.
Georgians will/are on the loosing end of tangling with Russia. I understand when the West calls right now their being told Putin is out of town. The ne-cons will loose this chess game also but the big looser are US Personnel in harms way and the little peoiple at home (me/you).
If this is correct we don't have a lot of time before we become the next Milton Freidman test.

http://europebusines.blogspot.com/2008/08/massive-us-naval-armada-heads-for-iran.html
This came from http://neufneuf.blogspot.com/
Let's hope it's like fox news made up.
Just a little mccarzy
http://rockcreekfreepress.tumblr.com/post/35321150/navy-releases-mccains-records

jo6pac
Everything is on schedule, please move along

Sunday, August 10, 2008 at 8:04:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

there is no mafia. you watch too many movies. main thing to worry about these days is communist infiltration in hollywood and the radical left.

Sunday, August 10, 2008 at 8:26:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ranger, Take a gander at this noise...!

Batten down the hatches...!

Sunday, August 10, 2008 at 10:24:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger Lisa said...

Oh Charles -- this is not good news, but thank you for it. I know Jim will be interested to read it.

Sunday, August 10, 2008 at 10:44:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger The Minstrel Boy said...

some of the most shameful actions of our country have been when we pick sides in a local fight, or use native irregulars to our ends.

george crook, who rose from lt. col to brigadier and then major general in the civil war was famous for his skillful use of white mountain apache scouts. the light cavalry of nathan bedford forrest was neutralized by the skilled tracking and lighting attack capability of the apache troops.

later, these same white mountain troops were instrumental in bringing germonimo into the reservation twice. on his third jump from reservation life, genl crook was relieved and replaced by nelson miles. when, again, a force comprised of 2/3s white mountain troops brought geronimo and his renegades to heel (do not believe the movie here, it was not a bunch of white guys and an indian sergeant) miles had the troops of the apache, some of whom were veterans of shiloh, vicksburg, atlanta, and gettysburgh arrested and shipped off to detentions with the renegades. many of those troops were direct ancestors of mine, along with a good portion of the renegades, but that's how those types of wars roll.

later, in vietnam, i worked with meo tribesmen from cambodia, and also with the hmong. they were ferocious fighters. many of them devout roman catholics, others animist.

when we bugged out of vietnam much of the wreckage we left behind were these tribes with a 15 year history of antagonism and fierce opposition to the ruling communist regimes.

genocide barely covers the carnage that resulted.

there is a mixed settlement of meo and hmong in the central valley of california. i went there 12 years ago in the hope of finding out news of some of my folks.

all dead. some were lucky enough to die quickly from aerial attacks. others were isolated by ground forces and left to starve. others, were taken into the bamboo gulag system and died in that horroshow.

we had a long and dirty record in central and south america too. there were some depraved cocksuckers in langley that had the absolute gall to promulgate the fiction that the narco-trafficantes of southern colombia were the "last best hope of democracy" or "our first vital bulwark" against the "communist sendero luminoso" (shining path) guerrillas of peru.

there has yet, in nearly two hundred years of involvement with native americans or indigenous troops of any nation to be an operation that has not ended bloodily and shamefully for the people we co-opt to our will.

we will also probably never cease either. shit like that is too sexy.

Sunday, August 10, 2008 at 10:52:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger Lisa said...

MB,

You've laid out the shameful history of U.S. exploitation of indigenous peoples truly and well. I do not believe there has ever been an example which has turned out well for the local people.

The Hmong people have been devastated since we left Vietnam, for their collaboration.

Sunday, August 10, 2008 at 11:09:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lisa, I did some follow up on the article and found some caveats: here and here I'm still concerned with some of the carrier movements and the fact our Carrier in the Carribean is sailing solo...! So we shall see!

Monday, August 11, 2008 at 1:28:00 AM GMT-5  
Blogger Lisa said...

CT,

Thanks for the informed follow-ups. It's important that we source as many sites as we can before drawing such conclusions.

Monday, August 11, 2008 at 12:20:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

About that alleged armada heading to the Persian gulf...something that big, with as many ships being reported heading in that direction that the Soviets...er, Russians and the Chinese wouldn't be out in the media asking what that fleet was all about?

Also, it is highly unlikely, given the state of the collaboration between Iran and China that someone in China hasn't tipped of the Iranians with "oh yeah, btw, love the baclava, and you should know the Americans, Brits, and French are coming with a large fleet to your coast. Hope you have a nice day, bye, bye." that the Iranians wouldn't have said something about it by now?

I'm sorry, such a large deployment of ships on the high seas cannot be kept secret, period, from anybody, period, end of that sentence (also, French pilots landing on US carriers? wha-what? I've never heard of such a thing, not that it couldn't happen, but I've yet to hear of foreign planes operating off any US carriers. PS, if this has happened I would like to hear about it).

And the biggest clue that this isn't even remotely true...Cheney has not orgasmically exploded on national tv with the intense glee he would have that his plans are finally being put into action.
I would say this is an unsubstantiated rumor.

Monday, August 11, 2008 at 2:56:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.tr.surfor.navy.mil/default.aspx

as an aside from the ships website, this:

"The Nimitz-class aircraft carrier is currently undergoing operational reactor safeguard examination (ORSE) off the U.S. East Coast."

Thats, as of August 5th.
So much for the rumor.

Monday, August 11, 2008 at 3:03:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And from the USS Ronald Reagan, as of August 1st, Sea of Japan...

http://www.reagan.navy.mil/news.html

Four ships and more than 5,000 Sailors of Carrier Strike Group 7 (CSG) 7 departed Japan July 31 and August 1 after routine port visits marked by numerous displays of goodwill and community service throughout the country.

So...hmm, the rumor has so many holes in it, you can drive a carrier through em.

Monday, August 11, 2008 at 3:08:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

C Tuttle,tyhis link is way to technical for me- i have a new policy. I go by a mans eyes and my gut feelings. My gut tells me the Little Georgie WILL initiate an attack on Iran OR allow a proxy attack, either of which will be real bad news. And that's exactly what America needs- more bad ju-ju.
Why is Congress not being more pro active?
As for this link and all subsequent entries /claims /disclaimers , there is really nothing concrete either way. All of this is opsec trash or disinformation or just simple intimidation to force Iran to Blink. jim

Monday, August 11, 2008 at 6:22:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

fnord
you've peaked my interest with the James Elroy reference. I will check this out as i'm a fan of his.
But i have to be careful not to confuse fact and fiction.It's also nice that i have no access to classified materials so i can't be accused of opsec violations.This is mentioned only because most classified materials seem fictional at best and outright lies at worst. jim

Monday, August 11, 2008 at 6:30:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

Every one- not to be sidetracked- i wrote this entry b/c Harrison U > Jack and i were once friends and i hope we still are. He was/is a fine man and he was simply doing what the CIA does everyday- except Jack never got past the war gaming phase.
Jack/ Valentine /Hruska in IOAC 5/74 had a Lao Officer that we mentored.He really belonged to Val but we all helped him. I wonder if Jack remembers this?

Monday, August 11, 2008 at 6:35:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger The Minstrel Boy said...

indeed ranger, back to the point. i imagine that there are more than a few of us who would be easy prey to a sting of this kind.

if somebody came to me, even with a scheme that sounded somewhat harebrained, to help the folks that i had fought beside, and lived among, to resist the atrocious conditions we left behind, i would give it serious consideration.

that would be the easiest way to get me. call me to help folks i left behind.

Tuesday, August 12, 2008 at 11:24:00 AM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

MB,

I understand your position, and feel much the same way, but I assume that all who served with me on the VN side didn't last long. After all they were working for SOG/STD, and they would have been the first on the chopping block.

I find it hard to believe that Jack would be duped by punk-ass federal agents. There's something here that doesn't meet the eye, and is possibly not above board. Jack did not have exposure to indigenous troops as a Ranger platoon leader. He was in November Co., and they were DA and not advisers. At best, he would have a Kit Carson scout.

Your actions would be based upon morality, and I think there is something more happening here.

Tuesday, August 12, 2008 at 11:32:00 AM GMT-5  

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