Sunday, January 02, 2011


War always finds a way
--Bertolt Brecht

Luckily, however, there were still savages

and barbarous peoples.
There were Zulus and Afghans,

also the Dervishes of the Soudan [sp].
Some of these might,
if they were well-disposed,
‘put up a show’

--Winston Churchill


The cavalier WaPo headline reads, "2 U.S. troops killed in Iraq; rare loss of American lives amid targeted killings".

BAGHDAD - Two U.S. service members were killed in central Iraq on Sunday night in a rare loss of life for the American military here since
the last U.S. combat troops left the country in August.

If it's so rare, why were two U.S. Marines -- Cpl. Sean A. Osterman and Cpl. Eric M. Torbert -- also killed in Iraq 12/16 & 18, for a total of 32 service members killed in Iraq in December, 2010? Does the Post think our memories are so short? Granted, a flurry of holiday shopping and holiday cheer can distract the mind, but only ten days separate the two events.

If combat operations have ended, these troops might like to know why they are now dead.


NOTE [1/10/11]:

This blog's friend Labrys @ Walk of the Fallen offers the following links for OIF/OAF casualties.

Military Times / Honor the Fallen pages for Iraq's Operation Enduring Freedom conflates the KIA's for Iraq and Afghanistan, hence the confusion.

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Blogger Underground Carpenter said...

Hi Jim and Lisa,

Yep. I picture those 50,000 "advisers" just sitting around, maybe cleaning their rifles or something, because they certainly aren't combat troops anymore.


Tuesday, January 4, 2011 at 4:26:00 AM GMT-5  
Blogger Brooklyn Red Leg said...

I can say with all seriousness that, did I believe in Hell, there would be a place reserved for propagandists. The fact that this sad and totally avoidable situation is not being talked about more in the national news is sickening.

Tuesday, January 4, 2011 at 10:11:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Happy New Year, Range. I used to hear the same type of thing on the news during the Vietnam War---"10,000 Vietcong were killed; American losses were light". Same bullshit 40 years later.

Wednesday, January 5, 2011 at 4:55:00 AM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And of course, HNY to YOU, as well, Lisa.

Wednesday, January 5, 2011 at 5:03:00 AM GMT-5  
Anonymous Juan Moment said...

Add to that the fact that fuckstick Moqtada al-Sadr is back on the scene, and you get a fair idea of what Iraqis, and whoever happens to be there, are in for:

Defeat in Iraq: Muqtada's Return

The return of Muqtada Al-Sadr, a junior Shia cleric and head of the Mehdi Army militia, from his refuge in Iran to a prominent role in Iraqi politics is not only a sad testimony to the sham democracy in Iraq but also serves a humiliating end to America's adventure there.

Unless there is a military coup by nationalists in Iraq or an about-face by Prime Minister Nouri Al-Maliki, Iraqis will live in perpetual fear for the foreseeable future. [...]

And so the tragedy continues. Lockheed Martin won't mind.

Thursday, January 6, 2011 at 5:52:00 AM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

I'd like to know if they are using pistols or rifles.This is important to gauge their state of training.
Any idiot can walk up to a target and dump a mag in his chest.
Be aware that most criminal/terror groups use these actions as initiation to the group. It's a right of passage, therefore the groups are hard to infiltrate.
It's imp to determine if it's 1 professional shooter or thousands of volunteers.
Thanks for the link.

Thursday, January 6, 2011 at 3:01:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous Juan Moment said...

So you did get the article I linked.


I posted it twice but both times it disappeared minutes later into the digital nowhere.

The following link sort of confirms the azzaman news item:

[...] The interior ministry official, who would not be named, also said that a policeman was shot dead by gunmen with silenced weapons in Taifiya in northern Baghdad. He gave no further details.

The policeman’s death followed a string of similar attacks on Sunday night in which a traffic police colonel, two other police, an army captain and an engineer were gunned down in five separate attacks in Baghdad by gunmen with silenced weapons.

Gunmen also severely wounded a colonel with the interior ministry on Sunday. [...]


See also:

[...] Unknown gunmen opened fire using muted weapons on a policeman in Al Wasiriya District, northeastern Baghdad. The policeman was killed on the spot. [...]



[...] A police captain was wounded on Tuesday in an armed attack by guns with silencers in eastern Baghdad, according to a source from the interior ministry.
“Unknown gunmen opened fire on Tuesday evening (Jan. 4) using guns with silencers on a police captain in al-Baldiyat region, eastern Baghdad, seriously injuring him,” the source told Aswat al-Iraq news agency. [...]


From what I can gather the claim that close to 2000 Iraqi police officers were assassinated in the past few months, appears to hold water.

This is not done by some amateur outfit with a grudge against this or that cop. To gun down that many highly decorated officers and always get away with it takes a skilled team of spies to shadow the targets until the right moment has come, plus most likely some guys working on the inside.

Looks more like a highly organized group with serious intel capacity and access to a pool of trained assassins.

Friday, January 7, 2011 at 6:39:00 AM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

Yes , i rec'd the links and others today. Thanks.
I've been thinking about this and conclude that the shooter may be a female, who is able to get close to the targets. A possible maybe.
About 30 years ago in Turkey a woman used a Czech scorpion pistol to kill cops. She was dubbed the SCORPION ,and later was apprehended. Female clothing is great for hiding weapons. Also a child is likely as a hand off after the shooting-ala IRA.
Scorpion approached the target, and asked for a light for her cigarette, and then smoked the target. The cops didn't know what /how she did her magic.
I don't understand why a silenced weapon is being used. I doubt people are disturbed in modern day IRQ by a single gunshot report.
Thanks for input.

Friday, January 7, 2011 at 12:42:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger Lisa said...


[FYI -- your comment did not post, and I took the liberty of doing so]--

I find the statistics wildly conflicting.

Icasualties.com -- which is the common source for much of the media -- listed "2" at the time of this post for 12/10; now, that has been amended to "1". And yet, USA Today listed the names of the two fatalities in the piece in their 12/22.10 edition.

Another source is Military Times, which gives expanded bio data on each service member, is the site I quoted from. I will be consulting another source directly in hopes of discovering why the disparity.

Sunday, January 9, 2011 at 3:00:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger Lisa said...


Thank you -- same to you.

Sunday, January 9, 2011 at 3:00:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Osterman died of wounds received in Afghanistan, not Iraq, as did Torbert. I think that site is grouping all combat deaths and not defining which are in Iraq and which in Afghanistan.

Monday, January 10, 2011 at 2:05:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger Lisa said...

Thanks for clarifying, labrys.

Tuesday, January 11, 2011 at 12:32:00 PM GMT-5  

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