Saturday, August 03, 2013

Patriotism II

Garry Davis, dean of the One World movement, in 1956.
He had his own flag and passport, and often his own jail cell.

 You say you want a revolution
 Well, you know  
We all want to change the world 
But when you talk about destruction 
Don't you know that you can count me out    
--Revolution, The Beatles 

We are all capable of becoming fundamentalists
because we get addicted to other people's wrongness
― Pema Chodron 

Our so-called leaders speak
With words they try to jail you
They subjugate the meek
But it's the rhetoric of failure 
--Spirits in the Material World, 
The Police

[Offered in the spirit of a cease-fire, a follow-on to Ranger's earlier post on patriotism, The Troika]:

How do we define patriotism? Is it a secular faith? Is patriotism necessary in order to permit a government to cohere and flourish amidst a diverse populace? Not everyone can be a One-Worlder like Garry Davis (God rest his soul), after all.

Perhaps patriotism is an ennobling feeling which could be directed towards perfection of the national entity. Why does it so often devolve into an adversarial relationship among fellow nationals?

Is patriotism one of those strong primal emotions like love, one which can go horribly wrong if invested in the incorrect thing? (Ranger avoids such road hazards by sublimating his strong emotions into his writing ... but not everyone has pen and pad.)

Do terrorists have patriotism? Can they be patriotic to their home nation, while being patriotic also to their cause? If not, must terrorists step outside of their government's creeds in order to be terrorists? Are terrorists effectively a government unto themselves?

What is good about the feeling and/or action of patriotism, and what is detrimental? Can patriotism neutralize violent religious fervor? Or, is it just the opposite, and does it foment such fervor, acting in tandem with or as an accelerant of it. Alternately, is patriotism not an either-or phenomenon?

[. . .we shall not, however, abdicate further exploration on society's flawed uber-factionalism. Man cannot live on bread alone]

[cross-posted @ milpub]


Blogger Peter of Lone Tree said...

The war on terror has morphed into the war of terror.
Maybe it always was.
"The Fawning Police State The Apex of American Insanity Has Been Reached".

Saturday, August 3, 2013 at 5:34:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger Lisa said...

As Sacha Baron Cohen's Borat said, "We support your war of terror."

Sunday, August 4, 2013 at 11:45:00 AM GMT-5  
Anonymous Nikolay Levin said...

I've made my thoughts on patriotism known. But if I found a patriotism that means something Russell Means probably has it.

BTW, Avedis; I've haven't heard back from you. I'm around if you are.

Monday, August 5, 2013 at 4:26:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger no one said...

NL, I haven't forgotten. I've been crazy busy. Thought Saturday would work, but went to the track in the morning and ended up at a VA event wherein a neighbor was awarded a Legion of Merit in the afternoon. Stand by for an invite. I have a horse racing either Friday (if he's going to go long) or Saturday if he's going to sprint as planned. Probably Sat. Would swing by Dino afterwards (hopefully to celebrate a win)

Tuesday, August 6, 2013 at 5:44:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger no one said...

VFW event that is.

Tuesday, August 6, 2013 at 5:49:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous Nikolay Levin said...

Roger Wilco No 1.

Shoot me an e-mail when its gotten more specific.

Wednesday, August 7, 2013 at 12:31:00 AM GMT-5  

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