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Tuesday, January 27, 2009

Extralegal


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One fact to emerge from Phony War on Terror (PWOT ©) is that the U.S. wants to follow a "war model," but doesn't want to apply the Geneva Conventions (GC's) in its execution. In that vein, it designated a new adversary, the illegal "enemy combatant."

But what to do with the detritus of war -- those arrested and swept up in wholesale prisoner snatches, kidnappings, renditions and the like? Before the PWOT and Jack Bauer, we operated within a worldwide accepted legal framework; we investigated, charged gathered evidence and presented it in courts.


In 2009 we don't have a clue what to do. After closing Gitmo, then what?


One thought is to add terrorism to the GC's and regulate the capture, rules of evidence, trials and procedures for dealing with that threat. Another possibility is a United Nations definition and international legal approach to solving the dilemma.


Something must be done to break the logjam, but the Bush administration was too indolent to clearly define the facts pertaining to terror threats.
The terms insurgent, enemy combatant, coalition forces, warfare, terrorist, unconventional war and guerrilla war have become so muddled as to be useless.

The terms must be defined in order to properly litigate or enact international legislation. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed as a type is not just a threat to America, he is a threat to all civilized societies
. But without clear and basic legal approaches we cannot defend ourselves realistically.

We will be the ones always operating in a shocked and awed mode, though the threat is clear and present.

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6 Comments:

Blogger The Minstrel Boy said...

how about this?

fucking criminal.

treating terrorists like the criminals they are takes away their claim of righteous cause.

let them, in open court and fair trial, answer for the crimes they commit.

let them defend themselves the best way they can. if they want attorneys, provide them. if they want to defend themselves, then by all means, allow that. as long as they follow the rules and procedures of the court.

by making them conform to the structure and legal rules of the court the victory over them is already achieved. it's the reverse side of the victory they were given when bush threw out sense, law, and simple human decency to combat them.

Tuesday, January 27, 2009 at 1:02:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger FDChief said...

Yep.

Tuesday, January 27, 2009 at 3:57:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

FDChief/MB,
I don't believe the Congress has stated authority to do war crimes laws but possibly crimes against humanity should be added as a response to Terror activities.
Certainly this is a correct venue at/for the International Criminal Court/Hague.
jim

Tuesday, January 27, 2009 at 4:12:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger The Minstrel Boy said...

congress has much authority re: war crimes.

we are signatory on several treaties, including the UN charter, NATO, and Geneva that require full prosecution for war crimes.

that means, that if obama hesitates to investigate and prosecute guys like rumsfeld (who the UN official in charge of war crimes today said they had enough evidence for indictment) then, he is not only remiss in his moral duty, he's complicit in the acts which he defends and supports by not acting.

holder has said: waterboarding is torture.

torture is illegal.

therefore,

anyone who does not use every method to bring the perpetrators of torture to the bar of justice is complicit.

a torturer.

Tuesday, January 27, 2009 at 6:11:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

MB,
When it comes to Terrorism I'm against concepts like war crimes. I still believe that T's should fall under crimes against humanity since this is so clearly the case.

Now what our administration did in the execution of the PWOT meets the definition of war crimes.

Strange brew.!

jim

Wednesday, January 28, 2009 at 10:32:00 AM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

AEL,
I believe the words percieved occupier is referred back to the British. It was not a reference to Isreal , but if it were I'd say - the legally constituted authority/ state.
Isreal has more legitimacy in this scenario than does the US in AFGH/IRQ. Isreal is a legitimate state and as such has the right to defend their citizens fron Terror/insurgents/guerillas/crazies/jihadists. If we have that right 8000 miles from our borders then Isreal clearly has that right in their own backyard.
I have absolutely no faith or belief that US values will ever stop the violence in the ME.I do not believe in fairy tales even though a fairy tail may turn others eyes.

Friday, January 30, 2009 at 10:39:00 AM GMT-5  

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