RANGER AGAINST WAR: Interim <

Monday, March 26, 2012

Interim

for B.T.

If a kid calls his granma "mama"

and his mama "Pam", he's going to jail!

--Chris Rock

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In the interim until our next installment, some Chris Rock (fr. Kill The Messenger) for your consideration, because we are going to look at the racial problem in our country, as everyone is acting as though a rock has been dropped on their collective head now.

This is also in answer to a recent question from a friend in England who asked: "I hear the "N" word is the worst insult a black man can pay to another black man -- is that true?" Some of our dialog first, then Mr. Rock's explanation:
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P: I have been told by folks from the States that for a black man to call another black man the "N" word is supposed to be the ultimate insult, is that true ?

Lisa (as his family is friends with Baron Cohen): No per the insult: Blacks may call each other that til the cows come home; a white person may not say it, though. It is considered an "owned" word by the black community. They have co-opted it, and use it in an ironic sense. I am not sure fully of the implications, but it is used frequently in rap, which is a big part of our music culture.

Sascha Baron Cohen playing Borat would make this sort of mistake. Snoop Dogg, a rapper, started the "Fo' Shizzle, my Nizzle"; roughly: "For sure, my nigger" ... which became a friendly greeting amongst lower - middle-class blacks. Upper classes would generally eschew this, unless, as mentioned, they were in the entertainment industry and amongst themselves.


P: Isn't it funny that it is one law for one set of people and another for others ? What happened to equality ? The blacks can use it but others cannot !?! Go figure ...

Lisa: Well, using the "N" word is not transgressing a law; we have freedom of speech. Hate speech aimed at harming others is against the law, however. It is odd how one can use a distasteful wd. and another may not.

P: Using the "N" word is not transgressing the law ??? This word is used to denigrate a person for the color of his skin !?! To hear a black person using this on another fellow black is not only ironic but it shows the blacks have no respect for themselves.

Lisa:
We only have laws against libel and slander and hate speech. To call someone the "N" wd. is telling the truth, though in an unsavory way. I agree, for blacks to use it on each other seems highly distasteful and in fact, is repugnant. It is often heard in violent rap lyrics, and they make my skin crawl should I hear them in a passing car. How can one maintain their humanity while listening to such brutality... it is far beyond being mere drivel?

P.: I just can't understand how black folks can use the "N" word on each other and get away with it , yet if a white person uses it on a black person he/she can be accused of racism & be fined ?!? Moreover, there's now a term called "white ni**er" ????

Lisa: There is a hypocrisy involved in being "politically correct". Instead of saying what needs saying (that using the "N" word is always wrong and offensive), we take a hands off approach and just figure that is for them to work out. Bill Cosby said something a while ago and got attacked for it.

The white N. term has been around awhile. It is an attempt for bigoted white people to make it look like they don't just dislike blacks because they also ascribe their negative qualities to some whites!!! Talk about a doubly pejorative term. And yet, they think it makes them look more fair and balanced!

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Now, to Mr. Rock, on when white people MAY use the N-word:


But the question remains the same: Can white people say "nigger"? And the answer's the same: not really.

But wait a minute, there's one exception. There's one exception. There's one instance where white people can say nigger. And I'ma let it out tonight. I'ma let it out here in Johannesburg. The one time that white people can say nigger. White people are like "this is what I paid for! It's a fuckin' great night now!" The one time white people can say nigger: here it goes; listen closely. 'Cause I may never say this shit again.

The one time white people can say nigger, OK: if it's Christmas Eve, and it's between 4:30 and 4:49 in the morning. If you white, and you're on your way to Toys 'R' Us to get your kid the last Transformer doll, and right before you walk into Toys 'R' Us, some black person runs up beside you, smacks you in the head with a brick, knocks you to the ground, stomps on your face--"take that, you cracker-ass motherfucker!" Riverdances on your head--"take that, you cracker-ass motherfucker!" Takes your money, pisses on you, and runs away--if you white, at that moment, you can say "Somebody stop that nigger!"

Matter of fact, if you white and that happens to you, you can say nigger for a whole month! But you gotta walk around with the police report in your pocket. In case any black people catch you sayin' nigger, the police report will act as your freedom papers.

"Hey, I heard you saying nigger; let me see your fuckin' papers. Gimme the papers; show me the papers!" [pretends to read a sheet] "Christmas Eve! 4:48! You just made it, motherfucker! Pissed on you! ...I hope they catch that nigger!"

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13 Comments:

Blogger FDChief said...

Well, Lisa, first, haven't you ever done something stupid and slapped your forehead and muttered to yourself "Dumb bitch, how could you DO that?"

But would you stand there and let someone ELSE call you a bitch?

But - here's where I'd say it matters; when you look at someone else, do you think "look at that..." and you fill in the blank; nigger, bitch, faggot, chink...all the dirty little words we learn not to say out loud?

Because what it comes down to is if you think that way, how you TREAT that person? If you smile and call them "Mister Jones" while you're thinking of them as "you dirty..." and making sure you're doing them the dirty, that's a thousand times worse than someone who uses the bad word and treats them like a decent man or woman.

The "problem" with us whities using the term nigger is that historically we've used it because it means we're calling that person - and treating them, and thinking of them - something less than human. We're using the term as a weapon.

But the black people aren't - or at least, I wouldn't think they are.

I don't think it's particularly smart - would it be a good idea if women started running around calling other women "bitches"? - but there isn't the same sort of baggage attached if someone on the inside uses an insult on another insider...

Tuesday, March 27, 2012 at 2:30:00 AM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

Chief,
People call me Ranger all the time.
jim

Tuesday, March 27, 2012 at 8:29:00 AM GMT-5  
Blogger Lisa said...

Chief,

Your analogy to my own occasional self-deprecating thoughts would not be quite analogous to black's usage of the "N" term, as they are not using it as a term of reproof.

As you say, "it comes down to is if you think that way, how you TREAT that person?" Not only how will I look at the person using that term, but how will it impact their own behavior.

Bringing it back to me, I know of women who think themselves "all that", and call themselves "high-maintenance women" and "bitches".

And you know what? They are! Is naming destiny? There is something to intention and affiliation.

Tuesday, March 27, 2012 at 11:21:00 AM GMT-5  
Blogger basilbeast said...

You guys getting Biblical again?

Matthew 5

21 “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder,[a] and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister[b][c] will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’[d] is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

Way off topic, but a friend sent me to this video, and I immediately thought of Ranger's Sniper Training Manual and Home Advice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJKythlXAIY

You'll see why at the 60 sec. mark, and Florida is famous for this activity, isn't it?

bb

Tuesday, March 27, 2012 at 2:04:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger Lisa said...

bb,

Sorry, Basil, but I don't see the biblical edge here. And if we're going to believe murder is wrong, we ought to get out of the professional killing business. Mr. Obama could lead the charge by refusing to sanction hits on our own citizens.

I may poke fun of FLA, but this issue is by no means constrained to this state, or even the South. Not at all, and to pretend otherwise is to, well, pretend.

Tuesday, March 27, 2012 at 2:18:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger basilbeast said...

"Raca" must've been the "nigger" of the day, one might guess.

Your post is about calling each other names, Chief chimes in about not calling another person a nigger but treating him with disdain.

According to Holy Writ, thinking murder is the same as doing it. What is in the Heart is what counts.

All kinds of ways to murder people, too, from words and actions that cut like a knife all the way to actual blades and bullets.

As for FLA, without it, Kansas wouldn't have anyone to look down upon.

Just kiddin'. Don't think ill of me.

bb

Tuesday, March 27, 2012 at 3:09:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger Lisa said...

Chief,

Just re-reading, and no, I'd definitely not ever think or speak of myself like that ["Dumb bitch, how could you DO that?"] Never.

That is the argument I am making. It is crude speech and thought that follows such terms, even if they are self-inflicted. No one has kept slaves in this nation for awhile, and there's no need to call oneself "boy" or "nig***" or whatever they claim they are co-opting. Does that sound like a proud thing to call oneself, and is it correct to dare the rest of society not to "degrade" them with the same term?

I am arguing for our society to lose its adversarial posture. It is flat-out hate speech. Do you suspect Eric Holder calls himself "nig***", or allows anyone else to? How about Mr. Obama? His daughters?

That's all I'm saying: It's hypocritical in itself to use an offensive word all day in regards to yourself, and not expect some tinge of negativity to adhere to your person. And it's hypocritical of the rest of us to act as though that's not the case.

A not-too-distant farce was the move to incorporate Black Standard English (BSE) into the grade school curriculum. Jesus, what could be more insulting than to say, "Well, these people just don't know how to conjugate verbs, so it be o.k. for them to sound ignorant."

It is not "honoring" someone to encourage them to occupy the margins of their society.

Tuesday, March 27, 2012 at 4:38:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stop calling him "Mr. Obabma"; it's disrespectful. He's our president and entitled to be called "Mr. President" or "President Obama." Unless you're one of those nut jobs who think he's not our legitimate president.

Wednesday, March 28, 2012 at 2:07:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oops, I meant "Obama" not "Obabma" of course. But your mistake wasn't a typo, it was deliberate, Lisa, and you did it more than once. I truly don't know your intent but if you and Ranger insist on calling things and people by their proper names, which I agree with, let's start by removing the ideological stink that is kicked up when you refuse our president the dignity of his title.

Wednesday, March 28, 2012 at 2:10:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger Lisa said...

"Mr. Obama" is the term used by the NYT.
It is not disrespectful in the least; I alternately refer to him as "President Obama" or Mr. Obama.

GWB was "Mr. Bush". Both I and the NYT are consistent, at least in this respect.

Wednesday, March 28, 2012 at 4:47:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous Nikolay Levin said...

Anonymous,

When Obama continued the Imperial Presidency I think he lost any dignity he had.

-From your Angry Neighborhood Obama Voter

Wednesday, March 28, 2012 at 8:50:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

Anon,
0500,
I consistently call Obama by the name-OBOMBA.
i do that b/c it's correct.
He bombs people.
jim

Thursday, March 29, 2012 at 9:09:00 AM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

Anon,
the rule is that respect is earned and not given freely.
also the Army template is that you respect the rank/office and not the man.
The presidency is an institution and goes beyond any individual. with that said i am a free white man with papers to prove this assertion, and that means that i have a god given right to speak as i see fit, even if it's disrespectful.
OBOMBA is a man and not a god.
jim

Thursday, March 29, 2012 at 9:33:00 AM GMT-5  

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