Monday, December 07, 2009

Feel the Love


We believe the Army made a mistake in its recent appointment of CSM Teresa L. King to the job of Commandant of its Drill Sergeant School at Ft. Jackson (First Woman Ascends to Top Drill Sergeant Spot):

"It may come as no surprise that the Army’s new top drill sergeant idolizes Gen. George S. Patton Jr., has jumped out of planes 33 times, aces every physical training test and drives a black Corvette with “noslack” vanity plates."

How does a sergeant -- or even a sergeant major -- become a commandant in any U.S. Army endeavor? When did sergeants gain the command authority to issue orders?

Commandant orders are not sergeant-level or doctrinal realities. Officers command, NCO's follow, except in today's Army that rule has been subverted. Even Warrant Officers are being given command authority, a misuse of the concept. Warrant Officers and NCO's are not officers.

King "says she regrets not having been deployed to a war zone during her 29-year Army career." It seems ridiculous to have a senior NCO who has never deployed to a combat zone -- let alone had combat duty -- be in charge of all the drill sergeants in training. Today, there are service members with as many as seven deployments, yet a
slick sleeve gets the top job? This is a poor call for the chain to make.

Why would the Army want a non-combat arms type in charge of training all of our Drill Sergeants?
When was the last time the CSM of the Army was not a combat veteran? Why should a non-combat arms female who never deployed be given this plum assignment without paying her combat dues, as did all of her male predecessors? The Army does not need a support type in a top command leadership position.

As if to justify King's choice in the face of her service weaknesses, she is described as both hard and soft, in an attempt to showcase what a woman might bring of especial import:

"Yet for all her gruffness, she can show surprising tenderness toward her charges. She describes her soldiers as “my children” and her approach to disciplining them as “tough love.” She wells up with emotion while describing how she once hugged a burly master sergeant whose wife had left him."

Pardon me, but if a man hugged a female soldier we would be crying sexual harassment. Yet when CSM King does it, it is seen as matronly and praiseworthy. Most soldiers would pass on the hugs, even from Momma Bear; that is not why we join the Army.

As an aside, the Times article on CSM King carries a misleading statistic regarding "gender integration" in the military:

"Just 8 percent of the active-duty Army’s highest-ranking enlisted soldiers — sergeants major and command sergeants major — are women, though more than 13 percent of Army personnel are female."

The figures are misleading because they do not consider the fact that not all slots/units have female soldiers. The actual percentage of women in high-ranking positions factoring out the above would reflect a different number, one more consistent with women's actual presence.

All things considered, this looks like a token appointment, and not one to the betterment of the service.

Tomorrow: More on CSM King and women's role in the Army


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Blogger FDChief said...

As a former Hat, my observations would be:

1. FJSC was notoriously the slackest DSS in the Army, a poor third after FLWM and FBGA (the toughest, as it should be in the Home of the Infantry. Clearly now that the DS training is all located at Jackson they have chosen the Jackson Standard as the standard across the board. Oh, well. It's not like she's the CSM of 1/75th.

2. The lack of overseas time is surprising, tho. When MP females are doing repeated tours in the sandbox, how the hell did they find this prize?

3. I wouldn't believe a reporter's tales of a soldier if he/she told me they wore a tree suit. All this bilge about her "maternal" ways sounds to me like something the booger wrote to bring in the groundlings.

Monday, December 7, 2009 at 9:59:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous barcalounger said...

Quote:"Why would the Army want a non-combat arms type in charge of training all of our Drill Sergeants?"

Does this surprise you? GEN Patraeus and GEN McChrystal don't have a CIB or Purple Heart or valor award between them.

I checked CSM King's bio. She's got a Master's in Business Management. I'll bet she's great at "managing" troops. As a leader or mentor, you're guess is as good as mine. Your Corporate Army at work. No different from IBM or Microsoft. As long as you have the proper qualifications on paper and have the right connections you can really move up.

Monday, December 7, 2009 at 11:22:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger The Minstrel Boy said...

i just threw up in my mouth a little.

the ghost of master chief boatswain's mate norr will probalby haunt me tonight. he'll tell me about the 3 ghosts to come...

that time of year.

Monday, December 7, 2009 at 11:31:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous Andy said...

I did some quick googling and the DSS at Ft. Jackson has had a CSM as Commandant since at least the mid-1990's. A guy named William Hyman was the first CSM Commandant, but I couldn't find what date he was asssigned.

Monday, December 7, 2009 at 11:53:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I do not know when this page was last up dated and i am sure CSN King is no longer at jackson but I must stil comment. First, the person in charge of the dSS shopuld be and has been an NCO since I attended DSSD @ Ft. Benning in the 80's. The NOC either a MSG (P) or a CSM was also given the titlle of comamandant. The reason is that it is an NCO school and should be run entirly by NCO's. any Drill Sgt should know this. That is rookie drill knowledge. She does not trian the DS she overseas the training , making sure the trainers are training up to standard. I saw the Commandant of Bennings DSS once for an inspection and then at graduration.

Saturday, April 24, 2010 at 4:55:00 AM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If she wasn't qualified she never would have gotten the post... In1990-1993 no matter what you did or how you did it if you were in my unit you were family and the majority wanted to ETS after our initial term...why make a big deal about her combat experience...at least she devoted time to a career in the army that paid her a lot less had she decided to run a major corporation... I'm proud that the woman was chosen to represent and be a strong role model to other females

Wednesday, October 12, 2011 at 1:39:00 AM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fuckin Officers, who teaches you how to stop shitting yourself when your an PL the NCO does! Whos teaches you in BOLC? The NCO! Why the fuck would they put an Officer as the Commadant at Drill School

Tuesday, December 13, 2011 at 2:50:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

Anon 13 dec.
Why should officers command - well because only they have command authority.
Can a nco administer UCMJ?

Wednesday, December 14, 2011 at 8:23:00 AM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are a fucking ass clown. The statement "Commandant orders are not sergeant-level or doctrinal realities. Officers command, NCO's follow, except in today's Army that rule has been subverted. Even Warrant Officers are being given command authority, a misuse of the concept. Warrant Officers and NCO's are not officers." shows what a coplete fucktard you are, and that you have zero idea about what really goes on in the Army.

Wednesday, December 14, 2011 at 1:11:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

Anon, dec 14,
the key word in your reply is subverted. Even you understand this.

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 9:24:00 AM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

anon.dec 14,
the us ended it's involvement in a war today. a long war.when will you get your victory medal. never -that's when because the last victory medal was in 1945 when officers did train enlisted men, and the em were required to comply with officers directives and orders.
sorry to say but em, to include the super ranks, are em b/c they can't and don't think /react as do officers, but yet you mistakenly think they can convey to other em how to properly interact with officers. it doesn't work thatta way.
maybe my life as a trainer and staff officer is not as in depth as your knowledge, and maybe my CGS&C diploma is irrelevent.
anyway, have a nice life.

Thursday, December 15, 2011 at 2:59:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger CharlieWhiskey4 said...

Ranger... and the rest of the posters. It concerns me that it seems that neither you nor the ANON you are arguing with have an understanding of the NCO Support Channel nor the Chian of Command. NCO have alway been given "Commandant" appointments in areas where there expertise is warranted (i.e. NCO Leadership SChools, PLDC etc.) Officers (this includes Warrants, they are hold Commisions as well) give orders. NCOs support and enforce. Its pretty simple and niether can function without the other. Any RANGER would know that, and would NEVER EVER place one above the other. Yes, there is a natural order of things, but let me see a fresh LT run a Ranger breaching squad with no NCO leadership, and likewise.. Let me see an new SSG run a Company command.. They NEED each other....

Thursday, December 29, 2011 at 3:23:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

CW4, you use the words-ALWAYS HAVE BEEN.
i've been retired/non active since 1989.
During my service NCO's didn't command squat.

Thursday, December 29, 2011 at 4:57:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

your cmt=Yes, "there is a natural order of things, but let me see a fresh LT run a Ranger breaching squad with no NCO leadership "
This is a bullshit comment.
If a young 2 lt can't do this then there's something systemically wrong with officer training.
Also there should ALWAYS be nco's present regardless of a officers quals. that's how the army rolls.

Thursday, December 29, 2011 at 6:21:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

to complete my thought- the officer provides the leadership and the nco provides the experience level.
that's how it's always been.

Thursday, December 29, 2011 at 6:23:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

barca, in fairness,
Pet. has a BSM w "V" device. you are correct on the cib. GO's are ineligible for the award.
i think the bsm was from kosovo , but i'm not sure.

Thursday, December 29, 2011 at 6:26:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

CW4,Continuation b/c this motel computer malfunctioned.
If the Army has lost it's institutional basis and Cpts no longer fight the battles then we have defeated ourselves and we didn't need enemy action to knock us out.
I find your attitude to be superficial and reactively ignorant.

Friday, December 30, 2011 at 6:31:00 AM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...


after a nite of sleep here are more cmts from a old soldier. Two, in fact:

1--I ASKED a ret'd. CSM TO CLARIFY YOUR always CMT. SOME OF US REMEMBER BACK INTO THE DARK AGES. THE CSM WAS MY 1SG AND HE BECAME A CSM b/c of my EER that I submitted for his exemplary service in our company.

I do not use his name. He went to CSM academy O/A 1972/73.
SGM academy was commanded by LTC Carl Morton. He was an aide to Cmdr 11th Abn Dv mif fifties.

This shoots your cmt in it's faulty ass.

2 -- Now for your attitude. I assume you are a male & a CWO4 and it's instructive that you prefer to attack me personally rather than to offer constructive input.
As a 2LT my Pl/Sgt (Evans) KNEW MORE ABOUT 4.2 MORTARS THAN I EVER KNEW, but I was the PL and knew overall tactics better than he did b/c he was a specialist focused on 1 topic as well he should've been since he was a fine example of an infy mortarman, but I LEAD the platoon and employed them b/c on the ATT AND BATTLEFIELD we officers fight the battles.

ARMY DOCTRINE IS THAT CAPTAINS FIGHT THE BATTLES. Nowhere in this doctrinal statement does it mention feeling the love or NCO'S. NOWHERE. As the PL I knew the Co/Bn/Bde COMMANDERS personally and knew their intent and followed their guidance/opords. I knew the Div Cdrs intent and this went far beyond kicking down doors.

THE ARMY I served was about defending the border west of the iron curtain and we never once considered kicking a door

Friday, December 30, 2011 at 7:45:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

to all the feel the love adherents.
to include the dude calling me an ass hat.--
Army Times indicates(31 dec 11) that CSM King has been suspended and is under investigation. Well kiddies , i guess Officers are needed after all.
I have no further details on this but will update if/when i get the data.
I assume suspended is the NCO equivalent of relieved of duty.
Happy New Year.
And i'm starting to feel the love myself.

Monday, January 2, 2012 at 5:05:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

to all, didn't the Army have a CSM/army that was relieved for sexual harrassment a few years ago?
just wondering if my memory is correct.

Monday, January 2, 2012 at 5:26:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous GoTuckYourselfIn said...



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Paul Harvey, the late radio commentator, called it "the rest of the story."

And here on these pages we're giving you the inside news on a scandal and investigation that has the PC and pro-diversity crowd back in "the puzzle palace" sick with worry.

It seems the female commandant of the Army's drill sergeant school at Fort Jackson, S.C. has been suspended. That much has been reported in the controlled press. But what you haven't been told - until now - is the reasons why such drastic action has been taken and what direction the investigation has been going in.


Our "eyes and ears" are everywhere. With CI's (confidential informants) on every U.S. military installation here and overseas, we often get tips about corruption and cronyism, be it in the Army, Air Force, Navy, Coast Guard, or Marine Corps.

In the case of King, the reasons she was pulled off the job after being hailed on page one of the New York TIMES when she was the named first female commandant in 2009, are sure to embarrass the Army big-time.

Yes, we know about the allegations she was having a sexual relationship with a lower-ranking soldier, as well as the reports the 50 year-old North Carolina native also had a drinking problem.


But MCC investigators have checked out King's educational credentials and come to a shocking conclusion. That's the real smoking gun. The command sergeant major's master and doctor of divinity degrees were issued by unaccredited diploma mills! They're not worth the paper they are printed on.

We found out King's master's degree in business management from Alameda College was granted her for "life experience" and cold, hard cash.

Her impressive sounding "doctor of divinity" degree came from the American Institute of Holistic Theology. Once again, this outfit is unaccredited and sells diplomas for money.

It's safe to say probers are looking into whether or not possession of these so-called college degrees gave King an unfair advantage over others in obtaining promotions and eventually the position as top-NCO at the drill sergeant school.


Everything's been "hush-hush" on the Army's investigation. The Pentagon, ever mindful of the political implications of pushing this case, is reluctant for anything more to come out in public.

"If what they say is true," a close observer told us, "the cause of racial diversity in top enlisted positions will have been severely damaged."

Right now, the Army brass would like this scandal to "go away" and King be quietly put out to pasture after 31 years of service. They certainly don't want it known that this daughter of sharecroppers and one of 12 children born into poverty years ago, has never deployed to a war zone in over three decades of active duty. While many of her students are highly-decorated veterans, having fought in Iraq and/or Afghanistan, King is ineligible to wear a combat duty patch because she never had to go into harm's way.

Saturday, January 7, 2012 at 3:34:00 PM GMT-5  
Anonymous old army and proud said...

Well the army cover up is still going strong. CSM King was caught vilotaing the code of honor and trust but since oprah had her on tv we will not rock the boat and make her look bad other NCO and officer did things they wish they could of cover up/ CSM King please enjoy your life after the Army.

Friday, February 10, 2012 at 8:44:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

old army,
the chain MUST cover up this mess otherwise it'd screw up their latest push to move women soldiers up to the front.

Saturday, February 11, 2012 at 9:30:00 AM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1. As a female former hat wearer (Graduated from FLWM) who has been in combat arms her entire career, I am disgusted with this situation.
2. I am so sick of females getting over when those who have been there (deployed in combat) and done that (truly led troops) are not selected because "We need you here". Awesome isn't it?
3. What is next to put doubt in Big Army's' mind and result in our never having a chance to climb- A female SMA with sexual assault charges and falsified documents in her records?

Friday, March 9, 2012 at 8:32:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

Thanks for writing.
Regardless of sex, branch or leadership level, whether O or NCO i believe that something has been lost in the military concept of leadership. Somehow i sense that careerism is worse now than it was in the pre VOLAR scenario.
Something has been corrupted and it goes beyond NCO leadership.
Contrary to several comments here, i believe in NCO's, and i've had life long relationships with some that i served with.I understand the relationships.
Something is very wrong in Denmark.
Thanks for writing, and thanks for your stance on this topic.
It gives me pause for thought.
btw- this CSM that we are discussing was too much FLASH and that should've raised a few eye brows. Most career senior NCO's are more restrained.Usually.

Saturday, March 10, 2012 at 7:55:00 AM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am at a complete lack of words for how out of touch with the Army you are Mr. Ranger against war. This thread started in 2009 and you have been out since 1989? WTF do you know about today’s Army? It is evident that you know jack and shit. I have never posted in any blog or thread before but feel compelled to tell you that you are FUCKING IGNORANT! Oh and by the way Ms. King is a POS too! Stay in your lane and write about something you know, like the shitty birdhouse out of Popsicle sticks project or the XXL sweater your fat wife knitted out of cat hair for Christmas or just the simple fact that you know how to turn on a computer. RLTW

Tuesday, May 20, 2014 at 10:01:00 AM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

Anon.may 20/14,
You got it all wrong.
I am NOT Mr. rangeragainstwar.
I am LTC US Army retired.
You may stand at ease.
jim hruska

Tuesday, May 20, 2014 at 10:20:00 AM GMT-5  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You really have an ass backwards view of an Officer/NCO relationship.

If the Officer Corps has become so weak that it relies this heavily on the service of NCOs in order for it to function, then it's your generation that is to blame.

Must be some outstanding mentorship that you provided to your subordinates.

Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 6:55:00 PM GMT-5  
Blogger rangeragainstwar said...

jan 28,
exactly what did i say that is backwards?
can u be specific?
jim hruska

Friday, January 29, 2016 at 3:34:00 PM GMT-5  

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