Perfect Storm
It ain’t that we’re so dumb;
it’s just that what we know ain’t so
--Will Rogers
You can never get enough
of what you don't truly need
--Eric Hoffer
Somebody must have been telling lies
about Joseph K., for without having done
anything wrong he was arrested one fine morning
--The Trial, Josef Kafka
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Seldom does the Wall Street Journal define the problem as clearly as does the following statement from Obama's Gitmo by William McGurn:
This is the perfect summary of the perfect storm that the U.S. has created over the past seven years.
Self analysis becomes necessary in a time of national psychosis if one is to maintain bearings. One question for analysis regards our definition. America either is or is not democratic.
We cannot claim to be a liberal democracy ruled by constitutional law and said to respect the rights of man + a repressive regime. Only totalitarian regimes, "detain people we know to be dangerous without the evidence that might stand up in a federal criminal court." It is a far stretch to imagine any American could endorse the idea of jailing people on the basis of suspicion alone.
Does this suspicion become verified by virtue of torture, secrecy and the mantle of state secrets? As if by piling on and accretion the charges gain legitimacy? A country cannot place people in detention indefinitely and without trial and still be a democracy. Period
If this is the case, then democracy is as road kill, dead as a possum on a Florida highway.
"Because we can't say when this war will end, moreover, we also need to be able to detain them indefinitely." Sweet. So much is packed in this sentence.
It supposes we are at war, which is as fallacious as the concept that terrorism could destroy our way of life. Calling it a "war" is an attempt to legitimize the illegitimate. Somehow, the war hawks also manage to deny POW status to the captured personnel.
Like some Communist/Fascist/Banana Republic dictators, we simply judge terrorists outside the strictures of law. By fiat, we call them detainee and throw away the key. Q: Who has the power to detain people without trial? A: A dictator.
When a respectable news outlet like the WSJ allows this commentary, it is also approving the concept of Dachau, a place designed to detain those deemed too dangerous to the Nazi regime. It is a small step between Bagram/Gitmo to Dachau. In fact. less than a step -- a matter of millimeters. 9 mm to be exact.
Once a detainee is so dangerous as to be out away for life, it is easy to kneel him in a ditch and put a 9 mm slug in his brain pan. Nazis do this every day on the History channel, yet we fail to recognize our present policies are moving us in that direction.
"This is what makes the war on terror different, and why our policies will never fit neatly into a legal approach that is either purely criminal or purely military" is so simplistic it twists Ranger's little brain (yes, an oxymoron since all Ranger brains are little. There is only one part smaller.)
Present U.S. policy is so muddled on the topic of terrorism as to preclude rational critical thinking on the matter. The national has wrapped the topic in a hopeless welter of emotionalism. We've wrapped terrorism in a cloak of fear to support policies that are otherwise indefensible.
The WSJ and the U.S. government ignore the fact that terrorism can be religious, political, philosophical, economic, nationalistic, sociological, psychological or any combination thereof. Yet present U.S. policy attempts to pound this multi-facted concept and pound it into a square hole with a BFH (*Big F*@%ing Hammer.)
We deal with terrorism in the most simplistic manner as we are led by simplistic leaders, and then wonder why it morphs into a Long War. When leaders like Obama see the contradictory nature of our counterterrorist policy, they become constrained by simplistic political considerations reined in by the pragmatic reality that fear and emotion are the vote getters in America today (Susan Boyle, anyone?)
The WaPo says, "The idea of a "9/11-style" commission appointed with the president's imprimatur . . . was quashed by Obama, who said that such a panel would provide a forum for a renewed national argument over torture and the broader question about the fight against terrorism." Yeah, y'know, God forbid we should actually have a national discussion over torture and the PWOT.
We weren't aware it had been litigated in the first place.
Fear and emotion are the vote getters. That is, if you're not holed up in an isolation cell in Club Bagram or Club Gitmo.
it’s just that what we know ain’t so
--Will Rogers
You can never get enough
of what you don't truly need
--Eric Hoffer
Somebody must have been telling lies
about Joseph K., for without having done
anything wrong he was arrested one fine morning
--The Trial, Josef Kafka
_______________
Seldom does the Wall Street Journal define the problem as clearly as does the following statement from Obama's Gitmo by William McGurn:
"As president, [Obama] is finding out that this very much is a new world, that we do face a new enemy, and that the problems posed by Guantanamo have less to do with the place than the people we detain there.
"Put simply, the U.S. needs the ability to detain people we know to be dangerous without the evidence that might stand up in a federal criminal court. Because we can't say when this war will end, moreover, we also need to be able to detain them indefinitely. This is what makes the war on terror different, and why our policies will never fit neatly into a legal approach that is either purely criminal or purely military."
This is the perfect summary of the perfect storm that the U.S. has created over the past seven years.
Self analysis becomes necessary in a time of national psychosis if one is to maintain bearings. One question for analysis regards our definition. America either is or is not democratic.
We cannot claim to be a liberal democracy ruled by constitutional law and said to respect the rights of man + a repressive regime. Only totalitarian regimes, "detain people we know to be dangerous without the evidence that might stand up in a federal criminal court." It is a far stretch to imagine any American could endorse the idea of jailing people on the basis of suspicion alone.
Does this suspicion become verified by virtue of torture, secrecy and the mantle of state secrets? As if by piling on and accretion the charges gain legitimacy? A country cannot place people in detention indefinitely and without trial and still be a democracy. Period
If this is the case, then democracy is as road kill, dead as a possum on a Florida highway.
"Because we can't say when this war will end, moreover, we also need to be able to detain them indefinitely." Sweet. So much is packed in this sentence.
It supposes we are at war, which is as fallacious as the concept that terrorism could destroy our way of life. Calling it a "war" is an attempt to legitimize the illegitimate. Somehow, the war hawks also manage to deny POW status to the captured personnel.
Like some Communist/Fascist/Banana Republic dictators, we simply judge terrorists outside the strictures of law. By fiat, we call them detainee and throw away the key. Q: Who has the power to detain people without trial? A: A dictator.
When a respectable news outlet like the WSJ allows this commentary, it is also approving the concept of Dachau, a place designed to detain those deemed too dangerous to the Nazi regime. It is a small step between Bagram/Gitmo to Dachau. In fact. less than a step -- a matter of millimeters. 9 mm to be exact.
Once a detainee is so dangerous as to be out away for life, it is easy to kneel him in a ditch and put a 9 mm slug in his brain pan. Nazis do this every day on the History channel, yet we fail to recognize our present policies are moving us in that direction.
"This is what makes the war on terror different, and why our policies will never fit neatly into a legal approach that is either purely criminal or purely military" is so simplistic it twists Ranger's little brain (yes, an oxymoron since all Ranger brains are little. There is only one part smaller.)
Present U.S. policy is so muddled on the topic of terrorism as to preclude rational critical thinking on the matter. The national has wrapped the topic in a hopeless welter of emotionalism. We've wrapped terrorism in a cloak of fear to support policies that are otherwise indefensible.
The WSJ and the U.S. government ignore the fact that terrorism can be religious, political, philosophical, economic, nationalistic, sociological, psychological or any combination thereof. Yet present U.S. policy attempts to pound this multi-facted concept and pound it into a square hole with a BFH (*Big F*@%ing Hammer.)
We deal with terrorism in the most simplistic manner as we are led by simplistic leaders, and then wonder why it morphs into a Long War. When leaders like Obama see the contradictory nature of our counterterrorist policy, they become constrained by simplistic political considerations reined in by the pragmatic reality that fear and emotion are the vote getters in America today (Susan Boyle, anyone?)
The WaPo says, "The idea of a "9/11-style" commission appointed with the president's imprimatur . . . was quashed by Obama, who said that such a panel would provide a forum for a renewed national argument over torture and the broader question about the fight against terrorism." Yeah, y'know, God forbid we should actually have a national discussion over torture and the PWOT.
"His concern was that would ratchet the whole thing up," a senior White House official said. "His whole thing is: I banned all this. This chapter is over. What we don't need now is to become a sort of feeding frenzy where we go back and re-litigate all this."
We weren't aware it had been litigated in the first place.
Fear and emotion are the vote getters. That is, if you're not holed up in an isolation cell in Club Bagram or Club Gitmo.
Labels: obama's gitmo, phony war on terror, PWOT, william mcgurn
5 Comments:
Great follow on from the Eagle Scout post Ranger. Well reasoned as always.
Another perspective I completely agree with:
Listen. As a nation, we arrogate to ourselves the right to send flying robots over any country in the world and murder people, to topple governments, to impose economic blockades on entire nations of millions of people, and the great moral flap is slapping around some prisoners?
Now I am not saying that torture is anything but abhorrent, wholly morally repulsive, but fuck you, America. The so-called debate over torture has preempted the already under-argued, under-reported actuality: that as we bicker about "enhanced interrogation techniques" and whether or not Barack Obama is a good guy for releasing them or a bad guy for not sending a bunch of spook hacks to jail, we are all over the world, killing the fuck out of people and blowing that shit up.
The idea that our interrogations are a unique moral stain is cracked and insane. Waterboarding is not the disease, merely one observable symptom of a deeper and more pernicious pathology.
Juan,
After I wrote this piece it came to me that people advocating open-ended detention are MUCH MORE dangerous than any AL Q operative.
jim
I agree 100% with that statement, Ranger...
Are there terrorists out there? Sure. Do they wish us harm? Yes. Can they be negotiated with? Doubtful, their demands are as unreasonable and as impossible as they get.
However, that's just one side of it. They should not be fought "at all costs" because that's stupid. A government with a 3.6 trillion dollar budget and a modern army with modern "law enforcement" run by power-hungry "representatives" is a lot more dangerous than some guys that manage to hijack some planes. They hijacked planes precisely because they are *not* that dangerous, else they would have attacked us with, I don't know, something they didn't have to steal.
The government is just as heartless, unreasonable, and stupid as the terrorists, but in addition to having the desire to fuck everyone in the ass, they have the means as well.
Again, "those who will permanently surrender freedom some temporary security deserve neither" or something like that. There's no point in quoting people on our money anymore, because people think that stuff is radical.
If you'll excuse me, I gotta get my welfare check and watch us drop bombs on some bad guys, courtesy of the largest communist dictatorship in the world who is more than happy to loan us this money.
Juan, I have to agree with the sentiment, America has become the dragon that we've always feared would either be the USSR, or China.
We've always used other nations as the boogeyman, and now we are the boogeyman for other nations to fear.
But you see, I once said on Intel Dump that we had become the very thing we feared, and a Republican hack went ballistic on me.
It was, and still is a very unpopular statement which I still hold as a historically validated opinion today, and I believe I made that comment back in 2004.
Anyway, it is good that others see this too, but for whatever good it is, we, us, the US, have lost our way.
The unfortunate reality is that we no longer qualify for the idea of American exceptionalism, we are, without a doubt, an all to common belligerent, and hegemonic nation with imperial-like designs, and unafraid to employ the imperial methdology.
And just like England, the Ottomans, the Salians, the Romans, and every other empire long gone-by we wonder why no one can understand that "all we're doing is making the world a better place for us...all of us, yes, all of us, damn'it!"
"people advocating open-ended detention are MUCH MORE dangerous than any AL Q operative."
I couldn't agree more!
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